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PasoBaby_CarolU · Site Admin Joined: 31 Jan 2009 Posts: 9014

I am passing this on that I got in e-mail. I have tried to look into this and not gotten any more information. It might be a good idea to avoid this product until more is known.

ShannonE · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject:

I've used this product twice and won't use it again. About 3 years ago my old vet suggested we use it in the fall for getting tapeworms and all the other worms. My old horse (27) at the time had a nasty case of cow paddies for 24 hours after and was simply off. My mare who has no immune system but guts of steel was not affected.

Like an idiot, I did the same thing the following year but reduced the dosage for both. The old boy was still affected. Back then this product could only be purchased through vet clinics here.

This past fall I smartened up and changed to Eqvalan Gold and the old boy was fine as were my new 2 year olds.

Shannon

Chablis · Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:02 am Post subject:

Wow. I'm making an assumption here but is this the Equimax product you are referring to? http://www.cyberhorse.net.au/virbac/ It says it is made by Virbac & not Pfizer though?

I've used Equimax (above URL) on my horses for years (obviously rotated with other wormers) and never had a problem.

Providing it is the same product, it is very commonly used in Australia (was introduced in late 90s) and can be purchased in any feed store/saddlery (tack store).

I have always been taught that you should never worm a horse in poor condition (whether it is from an illness/neglect etc) as it can cause the horse to colic - you need to build the horses strength up a bit more first - even if only for a few weeks and get a worm count done prior to worming the horse.

Very sorry for the loss of the horse - what a terrible time the poor thing went through prior to dying.
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Pyrgirl · Member Joined: 07 Feb 2009 Posts: 1308

Hmmm. I've been using this for about 2 years. Twice a year. I was trying to avoid Zimecterin Gold which I read caused oral ulcers.
Now what to use?
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thelmanelle · Member Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Posts: 3246

I used it on my thoroughbred mare, Summer. We were feeding well with no weight gain. She got a dose and did fine, then we did the 5 days panacur routine and followed again with the equimax, as recommended.

Her mouth got swollen and stayed that way two days. So no more of that product for her. My other horses did not react that way. I will say she has put on 150 - 200 # since the worming and is now, eating three full meals a day. Her coat is better and the rain rot gone. Immune system is better, but she will not get the equimax again...the next reaction could be worse?

mariab · Member Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 26 Location: Ireland

WOW I bought 3 lots of it this spring but still not used it now not so sure if I will, bugger I don't normally worm as natural worming programme and only 3 y.o TB had srongyloids last fall the other 2 where clear but wanted to dose for tape worm, might just do a faecal sample and the see

Thanks for the heads up
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creekwood · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:26 am Post subject:

Chablis · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:49 am Post subject:

Thanks for the update, Kelsey. Did you have a link for the article? Thanks.
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HorseLoverAtHart · Member Joined: 08 Dec 2010 Posts: 164 Location: Missouri

cokey · Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject:

I've used equimax several times with no ill effects. I guess it's horses for courses (scuse the pun..). Some horses will react to some wormers. Just the way it goes. Same as some horses react to vaccinations, and some horses react to fly spray.

YOu pays your money and you takes your choice.
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creekwood · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:11 am Post subject:

Bimeda posted it in a reply on a board, I just did a search for & couldn't find it, sorry

I can tell you that many, many people double dose it without problems for Neck Threadworms. Ivermectin & Praziquantel both have a wide safety margins.
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appellativo · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:28 am Post subject:

The latest findings on deworming all recommend against blind rotational deworming without doing fecal checks. Only 20% of horses shed 80% of the worms; you need to know which horses in your herd are the shedders, get them tested (fecal exams) and deworm them, not only to rid them of worms per se, but to PREVENT them shedding to all your other horses (this is per an article in The Horse Journal magazine, and also a recent article in Equus and similar article in Horse Illustrated, all articles written by veterinarians). There is also the reason to do it this way, to slow down the resistance problem.

So if you are confused as to what to worm your horse with, have your vet fecal test them and give a recommendation which is the most appropriate dewormer to use.

Not the cheapest answer, but the most effective one

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tchofclas · Member Joined: 29 Nov 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Ontario

If you have a microscope, you can do your own fecals. Most children's microscopes are strong enough. Make a super saturated solution of sugar and water and mix your manure in it. If you've never seen a fecal done, you would use roughly 1/2 cup solution to (I'd use 1/2 of 3 different road apples), stir it well, and pour liquid into an old well cleaned prescription bottle so it is right full to the top. Set a slide on top and leave for a few minutes to allow eggs to come to top and adhere to slide. Take off carefully, turn over, add the other little piece of glass, can't remember name, and check with microscope. You should be able to find pics of eggs on internet if you don't have a book that shows them. I found mine in a book just called "The Horse" Gives you a pretty good idea of what your horse has, other than tapeworm, as I don't believe they shed eggs if I remember right. However, if you've ever seen what looks like a small piece of narrow (less than inch wide) clear plastic that appears to have been folded back and forth in manure, you are looking at a piece of tapeworm.
It was a number of years ago the Vet said tapeworms are usually introduced to a herd from an outside source, such as purchasing a new horse that has them. Thinking on this may have changed, but the recommended wormer at the time was a double dose of Stronget T
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gaitinalong · Member Joined: 29 Jun 2011 Posts: 81 Location: Tennessee

I am convinced there are "sidebar" issues when horses have these types of severe reactions to wormers.

It can be anything from an overload of worms to being the oddball horse that really is going to have an allergic reaction to the product.

I have wormed all four of my horses (including the one with mild gastric ulcers) every Fall for several years with Zimectrin Gold with no adverse reactions.

I even over-wormed all of them for their weight (I use the whole tube on the Walking Horses and wormed the little 840 lb Arab with the ulcers at a 1,000 lb dosage. The Arab is also 25-1/2 yrs old. He's still out there kickin' up a storm and being second-in-command:)

I have used Equimax in the past, without ill effects but the new stuff with 14.03 % Praziquantel is pretty scary. Thanks for the warning on that

PasoBaby_CarolU · Site Admin Joined: 31 Jan 2009 Posts: 9014

As I recall, the problem with Zimectrin Gold was in the multi-dose syringes. It would settle and all the irritant part would be in one dose.
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