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Free Pollitt paper on his wild horse study

 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:50 am    Post subject: Free Pollitt paper on his wild horse study Reply with quote

This is the report about Australian Brumbys, which is free to download here:

https://rirdc.infoservices.com.au/items/11-140

"The aims of this project were to investigate the effect of varying environments on foot morphology, foot health and related parameters on Australian and New Zealand feral horses and to investigate the understanding of the interaction between ecology and foot variables."
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this.  I am champing at the bit to read it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It say's it's $25.00? Where is the "free" download? Would love to read too. Not for $25.00 though. LOL

Never mind...the download IS free. I guess it's $25.00 for the book. Off to do some reading.

Thanks so much for the link!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great read.  Thanks for posting the link.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: mustnag roll Reply with quote

THANKS for the link.
After a quick look, am I seeing that it is not necessary to do a mustang roll?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: mustnag roll Reply with quote

horseteach wrote:
THANKS for the link.
After a quick look, am I seeing that it is not necessary to do a mustang roll?


I think a mustang role has always been a bit of a subjective topic? I don't do a mustang role, but I put a bit of a bevel at the toe between 10 and 2.  It works for mine so I'll stay that way.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time that topic was discussed, it went sideways in a hurry.  Admittedly, I was partially to blame.  I spoke against the giant "M"-roll.  I could amost take solace in the findings, or assumtions rather, made by Brian and Chris, had it not been for so many assumptions made by Brian and Chris, guised as scientific fact.

Heavy Sigh. . .
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big roll messes with the plexus sequencing and can lead to solar bruising and soreness.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So could someone explain the difference between a "big roll" and a bevel?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Big roll messes with the plexus sequencing and can lead to solar bruising and soreness.



You got me.  Could you explain what that means?



The big roll, AKA the Mega-Roll, the Mustang Roll, refers to rasping the wall, particularly at the dorsal aspect (the front or toe) so it is rounded over like the photos of the western mustang, or desert brumby.  A basic bevel is just creating a flat angled edge on the leading edge of the hoof wall.  The widths and angles vary upon trimmer, purpose, and personal preference.

The idea is to reduce leveraging of the hoof wall, which is believed to add to white line stretching, and also to reduce chipping and breaking away of the edge of the hoof wall.

Personally, I lean towards what I consider to a minor mustang roll.  I don't try to see how big and wild I can get with it.  I find a bevel tends to wear down to quick.  A minor roll tends to, for me, still have a little effect by the next trimming cycle.  I haven't seen any ill effects, and haven't seen it induce laminitis, as Brian suggests.  Not yet anyways.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If too much dorsal wall is removed, there is no resistance to move blood from the lamellae plexus back to the solar plexus.  This means reduced nourishment to the sole and less hemodynamic cushioning with the next stride.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a theory, but I'm not sure I agree with it.  

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1171900/   My own theories are based upon Mishra.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karmikacres wrote:
If too much dorsal wall is removed, there is no resistance to move blood from the lamellae plexus back to the solar plexus.  This means reduced nourishment to the sole and less hemodynamic cushioning with the next stride.
Please help me understand this better . . .

Is this bloodflow enhancing resistance created by;

a) the length of the wall beyond the sole so that it occurs in the support phase of the stride?

or

b) by the leveraging of the dorsal wall away from the sole such that it occurs during the breakover phase of the stride?

I just want to get it the distinction clear in my haed whether this is an effect of the roll itself or and effect of the length of the wall protruding beyond the sole.

Also, does this article by Pete Ramey have any relevance to what you describe above? http://www.hoofrehab.com/gelpad.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, that was a bit rushed, hence a bit blunt, even rude.

Maybe a more thorough explanation would be more enlightening.
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