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Mark Rashid's "Sitting The Trot"
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: Mark Rashid's "Sitting The Trot" Reply with quote

Hey everyone!
last night I got my copy of Mark Rashid's sitting the trot dvd..
I enjoyed the dvd,, it has good information. I didn't really care for how it was set up.. but I was able to learn from it anyhow.
Okay, my question is.. have anyof YOU tried this? well what i mean is, watched the dvd and tried to employ these movements he suggests for the human to do.
from what I can see, and I am still kinda sick and can't ride, he was able to sit any speed of trot with out posting..
I am really enjoying my giddyupflix subscription! hahaha
getting to see lots of different things..
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has? out of 40 veiws not a one of you out there has seen this video? or been to one of his clinics? if not to ride, maybe to audit?
That brings on a question. who all HAS seen Mark Rashid's clinics?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know about MR is  through his books and I loved everyone of them.  I will get that DVD, Elaine.  I am kinda consumed with AK now and have all of her DVDs, (many) queued up from now through the summer  Not hard to sit a trot around here, 3 out of 4 are gaited and I put a real nice slow jog on the other
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you Nancy...and if one of them trots, I put them back in gait.  I used to have trotters and would work on and get a nice jog trot to ride.  I never rode English so always sat a trot or stood a fast trot.  I don't think my neck will take a trot now...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look at it this way, and I was raised in an english saddle, I love to post and enjoy a good quick trot to do just that.  I also love sitting a great running walk.  Why would I want to post a running walk or sit a trot?  I do plan to take a look at MR DVDs, there might be a reason to learn that, at least some ideas for maybe making a more relaxed lower half
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've audited MR but he didn't cover sitting trot at the ones I saw. A participant question did lead him into the the biomechanics of the walk and he went over the movement of the riders hips for a walk.

His clinic format doesn't have a set list of things to cover as he deals with one rider at a time for about an hour each day and tailors the hour to the horse and rider team individually. Then when he moves onto the next rider, the previous rider spends a further hour with his assistant.

There are 3 things he consistently starts with for every horse/rider pair though before continuing with anything else:

1) Physical assessment of the horse - he will not work with a horse that has pain or injury. Will refund money if he discovers a horse like this.

2) Rider breathing.

3) A SOFT backup.

Those 3 appeared to be absolute pre-requisites to get sorted before doing anything else.

I have read eslewhere that you should not sit a trot unless the horse is offering/using his/her back for the trot.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info ya'll!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading this, I went to giddyupflix and put most of his dvds in my queue.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do wonder about the wisdom in using a horseman to teach a rider, rather than a great rider to teach the rider. Like Linda Parelli, is Rashid the person to teach the seat or are we expecting him to be all things to all men rather than a master of what he does best.

You sit the trot to ride and influence all 4 legs with an independant seat.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julie wrote:
I do wonder about the wisdom in using a horseman to teach a rider, rather than a great rider to teach the rider. Like Linda Parelli, is Rashid the person to teach the seat or are we expecting him to be all things to all men rather than a master of what he does best.

You sit the trot to ride and influence all 4 legs with an independant seat.


I would think a horseman is a rider too wouldn't they be?
Best way to find out Julie is to rent the dvd and see  i guess.. I don't think anyone is expecting him to be all things.. i am just curious if anyone has seen this dvd, or been in one of his clinics where he was teaching this information.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the terms great horseman and great rider mutually exclusive?  Is Linda Parelli a great rider?  Just askin, I'd take
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElaineW wrote:
Julie wrote:
I do wonder about the wisdom in using a horseman to teach a rider, rather than a great rider to teach the rider. Like Linda Parelli, is Rashid the person to teach the seat or are we expecting him to be all things to all men rather than a master of what he does best.

You sit the trot to ride and influence all 4 legs with an independant seat.


I would think a horseman is a rider too wouldn't they be?
Best way to find out Julie is to rent the dvd and see  i guess.. I don't think anyone is expecting him to be all things.. i am just curious if anyone has seen this dvd, or been in one of his clinics where he was teaching this information.

Are the terms great horseman and great rider mutually exclusive?  Is Linda Parelli a great rider but not a great horseman?  Seems a bit of a generalization.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackspark wrote:
Are the terms great horseman and great rider mutually exclusive?  Is Linda Parelli a great rider?  Just askin, I'd take


I don't care for Linda Parelli's riding, well, wait, I don't mean watching HER ride.. I mean the method they teach. Crap, this is not making since, I hate that I can't write like i want.. sigh
Back in the beginning I tried all that 'balance' point stuff, being all floppy, pushing passenger stuff.. and it just did not WORK FOR ME..

Let me say that again so it's clear Parelli never helped me learn how to ride.. ME ME ME That's not saying it didn't help any of YOU..

It was a bad combo, my horse could NOT stand all that stuff so he told me the only way he knew how.. bucking..

that's why i like giddyupflix! there's alot of things I can explore!!
and I do adore Mark Rashid's books.. he's wonderful!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackspark wrote:
Are the terms great horseman and great rider mutually exclusive?  Is Linda Parelli a great rider?  Just askin, I'd take


I don't think you can be a great horseman without being a great rider (the better rider you are, the better your horse will be - Larry Whitesell).  But I've seen many great riders who have trainers do all the work with the horse.  So, I'd say yes and no.  

In the western world, where MR comes from, sitting the trot is a requirement.  I think to sit the trot you have to be relaxed in your lower body.   I teach this at a walk and then a jog trot.   I don't know about you all, but it hurts my lower back to move much faster then that sitting.  So I go to posting if the horse is trotting faster then that....unless of course it is a Paso Fino, who frequently have such smooth trots you have a hard time feeling the difference of when they are in gait or not.  Most will trot in deep sand or if they're tired.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't have Giddyupflix down here so what I want to see I generally have to buy or borrow from kind friends.

Sitting trot is something I've always done as i did a lot of bareback riding when younger.

One good description I heard was to think of your lower spine as jelly and go with the flow.

I found Linda's 'balance point' concept made sense to me because it lightens the leg when you find it.  If I'm riding in a saddle I know I have my personal 'balance point' when my feet are very light in the stirrup, in much the way they would be were I riding bareback.

I ride with a long stirrup more like the Spanish type riders I've seen.

Have only seen Mark Rashid's footfall DVD.  It starts out not too bad but then tends to 'lose the viewer' with too much too fast and not enough footage of the things he is trying to explain.

From what I saw at local Western Riding shows (when i still used to go), few people can sit the jog, let alone the trot.

Linda had a good exercise with the rising trot where you imagine your lower back as a spring each time you come down - the spring compresses slightly backwards and sends you back up.  I like to say, Boing, Boing, Boing, etc as I go along and it reminds me to loosen up.

If we can imagine our lower spine as a spring and learn to relax it totally, the butt will stay in the saddle.  I think it also needs an awareness of the lateral movement of the horse's back muscles with each stride, and to get in synch with that too.  The more we can let each hip move independently (from the other) with horse's movement, the easier it will be.

Remember Pat's exercise to rise, sit, and bounce at the trot.  By doing the sit and the bounce, experimentation will find what the body needs to do in order to sit the jog.

An ideal way to learn it is to have someone lunge the horse while you experiment, so you can focus totally on what your body is doing and not worry about the horse.
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