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PasoBaby_CarolU · Site Admin Joined: 31 Jan 2009 Posts: 9030

I read The Horse article on Melanomas in the magazine. What I got from it was that the external ones are not fatal, but the internal ones are. And of course, you don't know about those until they are found at necropsy.

I have studied metabolic issues for 5 years now, with two horses who are IR, one also display's Cushings signs. I have talked to Dr.'s Kellon and Frank, two leading experts in the U.S. What I have found from reading TONS is that they are a long ways from understanding the metabolic systems of horses. My Cushings mare didn't respond at all to Pergolide (affects the pituitary), but was off on her T4 so tried her on Thyro-L instead, she responded incredibly. My fully IR mare I tried everything suggested on, J-herb, Chasteberry juice, diet, and the only thing that got her Insulin down was Metformin. The study didn't show any gain after a 10-day treatment, but it was the only thing that moved her Insulin down, so I put her back on it. It took nearly 9 months, but her Insulin level dropped to normal values. She is still IR, but sound and managed with diet and no medication now.

After trying all these things and dealing with local vets, it all seems like shooting in the dark to see what works for your horse.
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Corazon de Oro Paso Finos

"The path to your horse's heart lies through your own."

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gaitinalong · Member Joined: 29 Jun 2011 Posts: 81 Location: Tennessee

misstux · Member Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 947

I corresponded with Dr. Kellon too about my late Dusty, who was IR/PSSM. The metabolic guys tend to have more health issues than other horses.

ErinR76 · Member Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Austin TX

So this one under the skin behind her ear, that is growing slowly but surely since June, my vet said we should take it out. Does anyone here think that is a bad idea? I feel pretty comfortable taking it out. I'm afraid that leaving it to get bigger will shorten her life span. But I'm no doctor. This is a vet who tends to be conservative, not in it for the money and the surgery will only cost around $200. So I trust him. What say y'all?
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PasoBaby_CarolU · Site Admin Joined: 31 Jan 2009 Posts: 9030

Baby has had melanomas under her tail for years. The vet said we could take them off, but they'd just grow back. And there is the risk of infection, especially in that area. So, I left them alone. There are more there now, but they don't seem to bother her. She's 25 now.

Only you can decide what to do.
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Carol Nudell
Corazon de Oro Paso Finos

"The path to your horse's heart lies through your own."

Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots. - Words of Wisdom - Mhar

‎"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss activities; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt

Mandy'sMarty · Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject:

Check out Buck Mountain Botanicals. Review the information regarding Neoplasene and it's effect on tissue containing cancer or virus. Read the case histories and view the images.

www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/pdf/clinical_guide.pdf

I used it to treat a huge tumor growing on the tail of my lab, Bodacious, last year. Stunning results. I have a slide show of about 60 images that chronicle the treatment and healing. One day I'll find a share site where I can upload the slide show.
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We must be willing to let go of
The life that we planned
So as to have the life
That is waiting for us.

~Author Unknown

ErinR76 · Member Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Austin TX

page not found, although I'd like to see it...
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Mandy'sMarty · Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:03 am Post subject:

Try this instead: Use that link to gain entry to the Buck Mountain site and then go to the link for "Home".

Then, look under the Pet Health Flyers. The document I initially was directing you to previously is there titled as
"Relevant Neoplasene documents from Buck Mountain Botanicals: Discussion and Case Histories."

The other documents contained there are also worth reading, particularly
" Fox's AVMA Atlanta 2010 Conference Paper -
Preferential Destruction of Cancerous Tissue".

It was at that AVMA convention where I met Dr. Fox, although I had already begun the Neoplasene protocol on my Labrador a couple of weeks prior. I had acquired the Neoplasene from my vet. It is only available through veterinarians, commercial herdsmen and pet stores.
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Marty

We must be willing to let go of
The life that we planned
So as to have the life
That is waiting for us.

~Author Unknown

ErinR76 · Member Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Austin TX

Wow. Check out the horse case study on page 70!!! Grooooody to the max!!!

I'll ask my vet if he's ever heard of this treatment and show him the paper. Thanks.
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tchofclas · Member Joined: 29 Nov 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Ontario

I had a vet tell me all grey horses die of cancer if they live long enough. I didn't put much stock in it because he also told me my mare didn't have heaves, but changed his opinion after I chased her around a bit and he listened to her breathing again. At the time she had "tumors" on the upper inside of her rear leg, about the size of marbles. When they became closer to the size of oranges, I took her to OAC at Guelph, Ontario, where our Vets train. The consulting Vet told me melanomas in humans are 90% cancerous, and 10% benign, in horses, its the opposite, 90 percent benign, 10 percent cancerous. Doesn't sound to me like all grey horses die of cancer!
I had them removed because I wanted to breed the mare again, and was worried about the foal irritating them. The Vet did say there was another mass under her udder, but they'd have to remove mammary glands, and it would be a very invasive procedure. I'm not sure how many more years she lived, would have to go back and look it up, but she was 14 at the time of the operation, and had at least 3 more foals, and I don't believe the mass was the cause of her later illness, was mostly complications from a leg injury, but I eventually ended up putting her down. the operation was done about 15 years ago, so opinions may have changed since then. I have another grey mare who has had one under her tail since she was about 3, now 13, and never seems to bother her, touch wood! Both of these mares were Arabian , by the way, and not related.
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ErinR76 · Member Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 504 Location: Austin TX

I'm trying to save up the $200 to get the operation done. The mass has grown not quite double the size it was in May. I'm hoping we take it off and that's the end of that particular lump. She has others that have not grown in size.
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gaitinalong · Member Joined: 29 Jun 2011 Posts: 81 Location: Tennessee