It's About The Horse

Clarissa

Although I am in favor of moderation, hopefully the transgressor only needs to be moderated once to change their ways. Those of us needing help with our horse would like to read the posts as they arrive. I’m sure I’m not alone in feeling the slight exasperation of having to wait days for the post to become available.

I also understand the moderators themselves have private lives away from this forum so I just have to wait.

HOWEVER

People really do have to stop picking on each other, that’s for sure. If each individual was to proffer information about (& stick to) their own method, we the readers, would get a clearer picture of what they are wanting us to understand & learn about the horse’s situation. There would then be 2 or 3 (depending on how many professionals wanted to join in) clear options for us to weigh up.

The essence is lost once nit picking enters the thread & it is very hard to keep track of each professional’s ideas about treatment. I understand a professional feels the need to correct or challenge offered material of others that they feel is not right. However the converse can also apply. We end up with 2 or more people sniping back & forth about each other’s versions or beliefs & it does get wearing!

Best to just continue to post as clearly as you can about your own method so we get a total picture of it.

May I suggest a method of posting that I have found beneficial. I type into a word doc what I want to say, then check it for punctuation, spelling, essence, etc. If it makes sense & is still relevant I post it by cut>paste. One benefit of using a word doc first before logging in is that you can reword or make several alternations or check research over time without getting logged out!

Anyway that’s what I would like to see here. In general I have found it advantageous to read the various opinions expressed here by the professionals pertaining to all the horses people have posted about. However I would find it much easier to follow if there was not all the sniping throughout the thread making it tough going at times to wade through.

I’m sure all the other readers feel the same.

Have a great day.

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bit · Member Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 4353 Location: Kansas

I don't get into religious or political discussions with friends because people's opinions can get so passionate, you can lose a good friend over something like reincarnation, or immigration law. Can't you just post your opinion regarding how to help the horse, and let the person asking for your opinions wiegh and decide for themselves? We unprofessionals aren't stupid. We are going to consult our own professionals, we are going to think long and hard about the choices, and do our very best for our horse. We'd do that anyway, but at least here, we can have a bit more insight on what the choices are, ya know? When you start letting it fly at one another, it diminishes you, not the other person.
I'd like to see good information, a variety of choice, and support when we need it. If you think someone is giving BAD advice, you can state that you dissagree, this is why, and this is what you would choose to do. You don't have to insult the person. Like I said, it only makes you look bad and your opinion, however good it was, simply gets lost.
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appellativo · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject:

I've asked Carol to revoke my status as a moderator. I see some good points being made in the posts, but I just couldn't justify releasing them because of the lack of tact and courtesy in the delivery. I don't want to be a babysitter! I think the posts should just not be moderated and if we don't like someone's attitude, PM the moderators and they will simply ban the offending people. It's OUR forum, and if there's someone here that can't treat others like they'd like to be treated and who are so holier-than-thou that they have to tear others down in their delivery, we can vote them out! So speak up. PM your moderators and let them know who you like and who you don't like. We have to create the environment we like here. We don't have to tolerate those who won't talk respectfully, helpfully and in the spirit of caring and giving.

Others are always a reflection of yourself. How many times do we hear our horse is a reflection of ourselves? They feel our energy, and they respond to it. It's all about balance. I think some thrive on confilict. They need it in order to feel better about themselves, tearing others down. So, don't fuel their fire, Don't comment back and give their egos what they want which is a fight. Just pm your moderators.

If the above offends anyone, ask yourself why. If you didn't think 'we' were talking about 'you,' you wouldn't be offended. So, if your feelings are hurt, then that means YOU thought you fit the description I posted. Think about that one....!
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Clarissa · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject:

I hear you appel. It must be hard at your end.

I think those other farrier forums have become so confrontational that people get into a certain mindset when they reply to posts.

We who populate this whole forum are of the 'natural' variety. The professionals who we need to ask for advice & guidence are most likely 'normals'. In our daily lives we might have to get the vet & they would most likely be a 'normal' so we make allowances for their ineptitude when handling our horse. Hopefully some of our & our horse's confidence will rub off onto these people along the way.

When I first read a post by Leah & then Kim(RAD) I was shocked at the tone, demanding & discurtious. When I learned that was how they normally spoke to each other I just thought to myself "mmm, just like a normal horse owner"

The similarities are not coincidental.

We need the pro's here so we need to also help them come down off their adrenalin while they are here so they can also have a better experience.

They DO need to stop being rude etc. No doubt about that. I'm not big on working out rules for these sorts of things. My mind goes blank when they can't make a post without having a dig at the other person. I just shake my head & feel a bit embarassed for them & wonder what stresses there are in their lives to cause such rudeness.

Then I realized they don't know they are being rude because this is how they post in these other forums they belong to. If we keep banning the pro's there won't be anyone left to offer professional opinions when we really need them. I can't get past the fact that as adults, there is something very wrong if people aren't be able to type some words without flaming someone personally.

There can be a big difference between the technical knowledge a person has & their general capacity to do as best they can with their horse. This is where the pro's are needed, to help fill the gap.

Perhaps we, the usual inhabitants of this forum need to forgive the pro's their inablity to correspond with us in our language.

We need someone who can help the pro's write their posts so they read nicely!

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Kim Cassidy · Member Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 207 Location: Tucson

Clarissa:

I can only speak for myself but I'm sure some of it applies to both Rick and Leah.

We are not rude, nor are we clueless or rough with horses. I have talked to Rick on the phone many times and in person a few times. Same with Leah.

Speaking for myself, I have to say it gets really frustrating seeing the MISinformation that abounds by "internet" experts with not enough experience either trimming professionally or shoeing.

Seeing MISinformation handed out to folks who then use it makes a person crazy

I care way too much about horse feet, as a matter of fact, I'm working on scaling back. It is a thankless and even more important moneyless task.

Seeing the same info regurgitated over and over year after year on a variety of forums can make you short.

Now no one is forcing me or Rick or Leah or or or to post, but it is HARD to stop caring.

I guess as Erin says you can ban everyone who is rude or doesn't speak the version of truth that is desired but what will you have left?

What is more important, correct information or saying incorrect information super sweet?

I saw Rick's posts and responses to Newfman, Rick wasn't rude (IMO) he just was questioning all the bold statements newfman was making.

If two people give almost completely different advice, how do you know who to listen to? Isn't it better for the two advisors to question and answer (with proof) so that the advisee can discern between the two?

Why do you all care so much why it is said? If your horse has a bad saddle fit and he keeps trying to buck you off would you not listen since he is so "rude"? Or would you try to figure out what he is telling you so you can address the situation. Another horse with a bad saddle fit, might not walk along as nicely. Will you listen better because he wasn't "rude"?

I just don't get it and I'm not a mean or bad person. When I was first starting out, I thought Rick was obnoxious, but I kept reading anyway. I thought there might be something in there for me to learn. Well lo and behold we are acquaintances now and I always feel comfortable calling and getting advice or giving an opinion.

Keep shutting the professionals down and you'll be left with novices who think they know way more than they do.

appellativo · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject:

I see what Kim is saying. I know sometimes people just don't listen unless someone else gets their blood up by being rude/angry with them. I can ask my kids all day long to pick up their toys in a nice voice, but sometimes I have to get loud and obnoxious for them to listen. Hey, life is tough. Still, there's got to be a way for both sides to try their best to get through to the other side in a way that is still respectable to each. I'm way less likely to get defensive and shut someone out if they are not saying things like this to me:

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AlythLong · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject:

I am quite horrified by that language! Un-necessary and objectionable.

My question is "what is misinformation?" Does it vary from person to person so that one persons information is another persons misinformation? How do you tell which is misinformation and which is information?

Alyth

appellativo · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject:

The problem with the hoof care debate is that it's still evolving. It's not something we've been studying long enough so that we know everything. But, people experience what they do and they stand firmly behind it. Life is a learning experience, and with hoofcare as with so many other things, there are an infinite of variables with a living thing like a hoof on a horse; genetics, upbringing, management, diet, etc. etc. Even the people who say that what they've observed and have been doing works, another person will come along and say "I did that, it didn't work for me, this is what worked for me/my horse....." It's just the way it is, and no one person is going to change everyone else's mind. So, people need to accept that. Share what you have and leave it up to the individual to try what he/she believes is going to do the best for his/her animal. That's all you can do. You can get your panties in a twist all day long, but you know what they say. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
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Yes_But_Neigh · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject:

Chablis · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject:

Rudeness is unnecessary and we can all be middle of the road.

Let's all try to work together, huh?

This is an information sharing forum.

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learningthedance · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:10 am Post subject:

Chablis · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:15 am Post subject:

learningthedance · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:26 am Post subject:

Kim Cassidy · Member Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 207 Location: Tucson

Chablis · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:40 am Post subject:

I think it is the intent behind something someone writes (or what appears to be the intent due to Internet writing limitations) that dictates how someone else responds.

Kim, I work with some pretty rough speaking guys and they don't offend me, whereas others might be offended on my behalf. I know the guys' intent is not to offend so I usually don't take offence; however, I do let them know if something they said has offended me and they take it on board. This works both ways.

When I read your posts, I see them the same way (although I'm assuming you are not a guy

). You are trying to help/explain and therefore I am not offended. You have not gone out of your way to insult people because you want to make a point or someone disagrees.

Now you would know Rick better than us (I'm making an assumption here) so we are responding to what appears to be his intent. I don't know him personally so have no idea how he really means some things. We are going by what is written.

Therein lies the difference (in my eyes). I hope that makes sense

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