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appellativo

Conversations with God books

here's an excerpt from one of the 'conversations with god' books. I haven't read them but they look intriguing and have a ring of truth. I'm not religious but I am spiritual. Have any of y'all read these and what do you think?

http://www.amazon.com/Home-God-Li.../ref=pd_sim_b_6#reader_0743267168
jackspark

Like you, I am not a "religious" person.  Plan to check into these; thanks for the link.  I'm always on the lookout for books that make my personal journey easier.  When you substitute the word Source for God it can open up an entire new world of info!
appellativo

Yes, in the book it talks about basically Life, Source, Essence, God etc as being the same thing. It's very spiritual in a very broad way. I enjoyed the book immensely. (I went ahead and ordered Home with God). I finished it in 14 hours (from start to finish with hours of interruptions in between; so who knows if I had read it straight through how long it would have taken me...), I couldn't put it down. It absolutely

blew

my

mind.

It was cohesive with what I've discovered from other sources but went into WAY more detail. It was even cohesive with Journey of Souls, and in a much more 'technical' way. I'd highly recommend it, and I am off to read the rest of the books in the series/by the same author.
appellativo

I am just reading chapter seven of book three of Conversations with God, and I am thinking....Wow. If I could give each one of you guys a gift, this would be it. It would be the words of comfort wisdom and peace and understanding that are in this book, this series of books.

I do hope you'll accept it.
bit

Good set of books, really enjoyed them.  I don't automatically connect God with religion, anymore.  Niether does God, but I don't want to speak for him.  Just a feeling.
merle

bit wrote:
Good set of books, really enjoyed them.  I don't automatically connect God with religion, anymore.  Niether does God, but I don't want to speak for him.  Just a feeling.


For me, religion is the last place I would expect to find God.
jackspark

merle wrote:
bit wrote:
Good set of books, really enjoyed them.  I don't automatically connect God with religion, anymore.  Niether does God, but I don't want to speak for him.  Just a feeling.


For me, religion is the last place I would expect to find God.



I didn't connect with source there either.  I have spent my whole life looking because religion didn't offer anything that made sense to me.

 
merle

jackspark wrote:
merle wrote:
bit wrote:
Good set of books, really enjoyed them.  I don't automatically connect God with religion, anymore.  Niether does God, but I don't want to speak for him.  Just a feeling.


For me, religion is the last place I would expect to find God.



I didn't connect with source there either.  I have spent my whole life looking because religion didn't offer anything that made sense to me.

 


Totally agree with one exception.   For me I spent a good bit of my life separate from any thing God because my ideas, notions, experiences came from religion - current and past religious actions.  The most heinous crimes committed against humanity have been in the name of God.  It took me a LONG time to realize it was not in the name of God, but really in the name of RELIGION.   Making that connection has allowed me to realize I am an extremely spiritual person, but not religious.  It has allowed me to explore and find God.  I typically refer to that as source, as God still has too much of a religious connection.
jackspark

merle wrote:

 I typically refer to that as source, as God still has too much of a religious connection.


Yes!  Me too.  Can't quite bring myself to use the term God either, but I do consider myself very spiritual.
merle

jackspark wrote:
merle wrote:

 I typically refer to that as source, as God still has too much of a religious connection.


Yes!  Me too.  Can't quite bring myself to use the term God either, but I do consider myself very spiritual.


So nice to know I'm not the only one.  I'd say I'm in the minority but apparently in good company.  
jackspark

Yes_But_Neigh

Nancy, I've been looking for a new tattoo idea and that just might be it! I was going to get a yin/yang on my foot to remind me to keep things in balance and this picture is very pretty.

I also agree with the Source "vs" God thing. I'm extremely spiritual but not at all religious.
jackspark

Like the idea Em, let us see it when you're done!  Love the videos of Bodie and am sooooo glad you are back in the game!
jackspark

Ordered CWG book 2.  I hope that reading them out of order isn't an issue.
PasoBaby_CarolU

I also have trouble with the word "God."  I agree with you Merle, for supposedly a force of good in this world, it seems to bring out the worst of people.   I learned to despise organized religion a long time ago, and find that 'most' religious people are anything but 'spiritual.'  

I like to refer to Mother Nature as the source.   I know that is when I feel the most spiritual, is when I am immersed in Nature.
appellativo

No it's not a problem to read them out of order but it is helpful to read them in order.  for those who don't read them in order, there is a 'recap' of the ideas in the subsequent books. each time it's phrased a bit differently. And we all know that the more times and the more ways we hear something, the more it sinks in.

I just read Happier than God (which is sort of an ultimate exaggeration, which is explained in the book) by the same author (neale donald walsch) and it just keeps summarizing and expounding on the ideas, it was wonderful. it talks about why the law of attraction is dumbed down by a lot of teachers and 'fixes these points of lack' for us. which is great!

one of the ideas is the multiplier effect. it states that by focusing on yourself, you limit the amount of energy that you output, because there is only one of you. Yet by focusing on others you multiply the amount of energy that you output by the number of others with whom you do so. And everything you create, you experience. This is because ultimately all things that proceeed from you come back to you. And this is because there is no one else 'in the room' (we are all one). It is just awesome when you grasp it!!!

Those of you who are spiritual, not religious,.....these books were WRITTEN FOR YOU!!! (oh please, PLEASE read them!)  
misstux

You've got me intrigued now.  I am most definitely spiritual and most definitely NOT religious.
jackspark

Ah...... the spiritually non-religious crowd.  My kind of folk  
whudson

I used to think of myself as religious until I spent time over several years going from religion to religion.  There is not too many that I didn't explore.  What I learned from that experience is that I want no part of any religion.    

Spiritual I am  

I will have to look into these books too
appellativo

y'all will not be disappointed!

bit

I read these books a long time ago, and just ordered them again, used on amazon.  They are my "bath tub read" and have been enjoying them quite a bit.  
It's all stuff ya already know, or at least I'm assuming ya'll do.  Sounds like we all share some common ground.  All stuff that would scare the crap out of the more traditional christian.  Puts a lot of accountability on the individual, and God in you, not out there somewhere.  I stopped going to church when I was around 4.  The guy at the pulpet started going on about Adam and Eve, and I knew that wasn't so.  Don't ask me how, I just did.  And then he said God was a vengeful God, and that's when I knew he was spouting crap.  
I did try out a church, which I liked quite a bit.  It was a spiritual church, and did a lot of meditation, and it was just like talking to ya'll here.  I can't remember the name of it right off.  There's one about 40 minutes away, but I can't see driving that far, that early, when I have my own place to visit with God right in my pasture, and horses to get me there.
jackspark

Sometimes that "stuff" that we already know just needs to be put into print so that we can remember that we know it

I know what ya mean Bit.  I remember thinking "that isn't right" while I was in church, at age 8.  Don't need a building to feel connected;  It happens everywhere, esp, in my pasture
jackspark

Received my CWG book 2 today and can't wait to jump in!
jackspark

Found book one so I started there.......... thanks Erin, it is some powerful stuff!  I'll be hanging with it for the rest of the story
appellativo

youre welcome. I really enjoyed the three books. I've also read several others by him after that.
whudson

Nancy, I am thinking of ordering them as part of my Christmas gift.  How are you enjoying the books and should I start with the first one?
jackspark

Yes order them and yes start with the first.  I am just finishing the first and the second is close by  New ways of seeing and I'm really eatin it up   Merry Christmas, it's the gift that keeps on giving!
coveredbridgefarm

I don't know if this is pertinent to this discussion(I don't have these books Erin, but you do have me interested). Please ignore this post if it isn't relevant.

A couple of days ago, a long time friend who has recently decided to enter AA for his addiction to alcohol, called me to tell me that, for the first time in more than 40 years, he had experienced some degree of serenity. He has been alcohol free since July and, along with joining a church, his perspective is obviously changing.

Since I neither drink alcohol nor attend a church, I found this very interesting(and, of course, I was happy for him as well) so I asked a few questions. It turns out that his pursuit of an understanding of God is the key element in his recovery from alcoholism. He is pursuing God like some of us pursue true unity with our horses. He seems to be content with an acceptance that there is an unknowable(to him, at this time) quality to God but that it is all about the journey as he tries to gain a better understanding of what/who God is.

It was a very interesting conversation and I noted several times how much his journey had in common with a journey of/with/to NH. Are not God and the mind of the horse both intangible entities to some degree because we don't know what we don't know about each one? And doesn't it make us feel good when we think we are making progress toward each one? Why is that?

Larry
appellativo

laughing8

Because gaining and understanding of what God is is synonymous to discovering what Life is, what Love is, because God is Life and love.

I believe we have been getting mired down in life and distracted and forgetting that it is supposed to be a productive journey. I think this age of discovery that we are in about these truths is designed to 'get us back on the rails.' It empowers us.

God understands the essence of itself but wants to experience it. In order to experience what he/she/it is, it has to have something else to compare it to, to contrast it with. Which is why we have such things as 'bad,' and why we have such an experience as 'other than God.' (splintered itself so as to be able to experience infinite other viewpoints/combinations)

So, Everything that you see is here because of what God put in motion (including the things on the opposite scale of love). There is nothing here that God/Life/Love has not allowed to be. It ALL has its purpose. Horses included! And Understanding and Harmony gets us closer to the ultimate universal truth: if God IS Life, which is love, which includes everything (because there is no such thing as cold, only the other end of the scale of heat, and there is no such thing as hate, only the other end of the scale of love), then everything IS God.

I don't explain it near as well and thoroughly as these books but I try. Reuniting with that truth feels wonderful. I probably went a little off subject with what your friend is experiencing. Recommend the books to him, they will highly enhance his journey!
coveredbridgefarm

Erin wrote:
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I believe we have been getting mired down in life and distracted and forgetting that it is supposed to be a productive journey. I think this age of discovery that we are in about these truths is designed to 'get us back on the rails.' It empowers us.

That's exactly why I ask so many questions, to get back on track.  

I find that I have a need to differentiate between 2 kinds of life(reality), the kind of life that horses and other species know, and the social kind that humans create whenever they get together, which is virtually all of the time. I have learned to not place much value in the social kind, generally, which I think tend to get us mired down.

In the conversation with my friend, I brought up one of my favorite analogies, the boy in the bubble. I asked my friend how he would describe the concept of wind to the boy who has never experienced wind and never will. I'm thinking that the concept of the wind is to the boy as the concept of God is to us. They are both difficult to articulate and to validate. Maybe they are one and the same. He tried to validate the wind by saying he would tell the boy to watch for a leaf to move.

However, leaves can move for reasons other than wind.

I guess I had better get those books before I knock my friend off the wagon.  

Larry
bit

I think God/angels and horses have a lot in common.  They show us who we can be, they bring us the opportunity to be more than we thought was possible, and they are impossibly forgiving.  I see God reflected in my horses eyes, and reflected in my horses eyes is me.  It's all connected.  We all are one.
jackspark

These books offer up some very plausible answers to the universal questions that plague us all.  They are perfect for me at this time and have taken me
closer to gaining some ease with life's uncertainties  Go for it Larry, Erin hasn't steered me wrong yet.
whudson

Ok they are on my list and will order them tonight  

I can say that I have enjoyed tremendously every book that Erin has recommended ( though I am a little slower on the uptake )...lots of growth going on  
appellativo

Anatomy of the Spirit by Caroline Myss talks about the energy centers of the body and what sorts of illnesses result from blockages in what centers. Very interesting, good read and talks also about 'spiritual evolution.'
merle

I was really enjoying, loving this book.  But, then he said it.  He said 'The body was not meant to intake alcohol.  It impairs the mind.'        

I'm gonna have to rethink this whole God thing!  
jackspark

OMG  I came up short there too!  I thought surely there is a way around this one itsy bitsy problem.  Maybe I read that wrong or, or, or maybe he meant sompthin else?
appellativo

well....it also says all things in moderation. Alcohol DOES impair the mind! LOL Isn't that the point? Hey, it's all about 'what you want to be in any given moment.' If that happens to be tipsy or wasted, then alcohol is PERFECT! See. I told you everything was perfect just the way it is.....
jackspark

Into book 2.  Interesting paragraph about Normal vs Natural.  Of course I thought immediately of horsemanship.

It may be normal, but it is not natural.  "Normal" means something usually done.  "Natural" is how you are when you're not trying to be "normal"!

Natural and normal are not the same thing.  In any given moment you can do what you normally do, or you can do what comes naturally.

I tell you this:  Nothing is more natural than love.  If you act lovingly, you will be acting naturally.  If you react fearfully, resentfully, angrily, you may be acting normally, but you will never be acting naturally.
merle

jackspark wrote:
OMG  I came up short there too!  I thought surely there is a way around this one itsy bitsy problem.  Maybe I read that wrong or, or, or maybe he meant sompthin else?


I found away around this little issue, it is called 'wite-out'.  Now if only I can find that little bottle, its around here some where...  
whudson

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I was really enjoying, loving this book.  But, then he said it.  He said 'The body was not meant to intake alcohol.  It impairs the mind.'          

I'm gonna have to rethink this whole God thing!  


OMG Nancy and Erin I can't believe you led me astray...I can't read those books..it just goes against everything    

Oh wait just read Merle's comments...whiteout.. .. ( runs off to the dollar store)
jackspark

Don't Worry Wanda, we won't lead you down sobriety lane.  Not opposed to doin a little re-writing to make sure our way of life is not disturbed
whudson

jackspark wrote:
Don't Worry Wanda, we won't lead you down sobriety lane.  Not opposed to doin a little re-writing to make sure our way of life is not disturbed


Whew, ya had me worried.   occasion5  blob1
whudson

I'm really enjoying these books.  Pretty eye opening for me and like you Nancy, seems to come at just the right time.  
I had to start with Book 2 and got 3/4 way through before Book 1 came finally today.  Putting Book 2 down and now starting at the beginning of Book 1.  Well, I can only think there must be some good reason for me to have started with Book 2...I think it was to get hubby hooked on the very intense topics in book 2.  I always share with him any parts that I think he might be interested in.  Some of the topics in book 2 fit that criteria nicely.  
Just wanted to says thanks again...anybody got any other books they recommend?  I don't think it will take me long to finish these.
appellativo

make sure you read Home With God by NDW also!

And you already read Journey of Souls, right??
whudson

Yup Journey Of Souls is done..on to CWG.  Reading first book but have 2nd book 3/4 read.  He wrote Home with God?  

Remember I said hubby was interested?  Why do I put my energy in someone else?  Apparently he was amusing me  Duh..when am I going to really learn?  Hmm...might be a question for God.
Hute

Well I have started reading book 1 and I do have to say I was skeptical about these books at first but now that I'm reading them I'm impressed. It truly lines up with everything that I have experienced. I believe I did have a close but brief encounter with God when I was young and whatever entity this guy is in contact with seems to be the exact same one (even more so than Abraham...my contact did not have quite the same humor that Abe does). I have been trying to find a way to get back in contact and get more of my questions answered and it's so exciting to finally have found a way. So far he's saying the same stuff that I was told but in more detail and clarity. It's from the exact same time period too - mid 90's. Took me a long time though to truly understand it - I kept trying to make it all fit in with Catholic doctrine, which was the only thing I knew. DEFINITELY didn't work.

Don't know if I have ever told you this Larry but I always enjoy reading your comments, even if or maybe especially if I don't always agree.   Glad you're reading these books too! I would be interested to hear what you think. That goes for everyone too.  
Hute

Don't mean to hijack the thread but I'm really enjoying these books. I loved the part about the plants knowing if you love them or not and that being why some of them die and some of them live.  I laughed out loud and was like, what does that say about me? I tried gardening when I was young and was terrible at it, and most plants die pretty quickly under my care. You have been warned lol, I do not have a green thumb.

I loved the part about the ten commandments, that was awesome. I did get a hint of that in my encounter but I was young and not very philosophical so I only asked basic questions before moving on. I could SO see being told this if I had asked. It is so exciting to me.    I'm on page 100 right now...111 pages to go...I'm glued to it though I do stop and "squee" internally lol, it is just so cool!

And to think this was waiting for me in the library all these years, but I was too busy trying to make God into something He wasn't to be open to it.  I swear, sometimes all I need it a big kick in the @$$.  
jackspark

Be glad it didn't take ya 58 years to find them......... you are ahead of my game!  Enjoy  
bit

Laura, We find these pearls in our lives only when we are ready to receive them.  Any earlier and it may not have had the perfect "impact" on your life.
28 or 58, it's all about timing.  My daughter is so much further along than I was at her age.  I think the opportunities, just like nh, are so much more exciting now then they were when I was in my 20's.  More easily accessable, and it's not looked on as so woo woo by the world.  
This is just my take on things, ok?  Everyone has an opinion.  God isn't some unaccessable, divine being, who judges and sends ya to hell if you aren't perfect.  He's my partner in all this.  He let's me mess up, and is right there if I ask for help.  All I have to do is ask.  If I'm in it deep, he sends a miracle.  They aren't just for saints and "special" people.  He loves me as much as he loves anything.  He loves us all the same.  He didn't love Jesus more.  We are all sons and daughters of God.  God doesn't have favorites.  If you want a conversation with Him, start talking and more importantly, start listening.  He's not scarey, unless you are frightened by the most compassionate love you can possibly experience.  This is my experience of God.  Always has been.  That's why I don't need to hit a church to feel him.  He's in my pasture, my kitchen, my heart, and I carry Him with me every where I go.  All I have to do is ask, and that's from finding the dang cell phone to finding my way through some pain of the heart.  When I look in the mirror in the morning, looking back is the divine spark.  I carry God within.  He isn't out there somewhere.  My opinion, of course.
Hute

I don't know...15some years still seems way too long...    But, you gals are right, it could have been longer and if it had come much earlier I would not have been quite ready.

I've got about 50 pages to go in book one. Probably will finish it today and start the next one.  
appellativo

Glad to hear you are enjoying it so much. Now you guys know what I am talking about. You read this stuff and you just really want others to feel the joy you feel by understanding this stuff!!
HorseLoverAtHart

I am not getting something.....what is the difference between spiritual and religious?  Acouple of you said that you weren't religious, but you were spiritual.....if you are spiritual, don't you believe in God?
Hute

I am not sure how to explain it and I'm not sure what it means to everyone. But I think it basically means that you believe in God, but you are not going to take other people's word for what a good relationship with God is. So you want to have a good relationship with God but you don't follow a particular religion. Maybe it's kind of like developing a relationship with your horse and not following any particular trainer and going with what seems to work for your horse. Rather than what other people or organizations (Parelli, Clinton Anderson, John Lyons, etc) tell you. So you do horsemanship, (you're spiritual) but you're not a "groupie." (religious) So to speak. Maybe that wasn't a good analogy lol. But that is the best way I can explain it. If I were to pick a particular faith, and follow it, I would consider myself religious. But I don't.
jackspark



Well said Laura.
appellativo

I don't want this to come off as offensive or insulting but for me, once I was self confident in my own personal inner ability to discern what sounds plausible or true for myself, (as well as living long enough to be exposed to enough ideas and tidbits of information and glean personal experiences) I became less inclined to seek out other people's trodden paths, opinions or dictates, to discover what really seems to make the most sense to me.

I think reading the book The Power of Now helped ground me in the present and free me from the chains of the past, from the chains of the mind (which is rooted in what happened in the past and all decisions are made from looking at past information) and get me more centered in the seat of the spirit, in what is going on right now. I can make decisions based on right  now. It's a bit tough to explain. But I think for me that traditions of the past which have been changed slowly over time, the root of the original intent of most religion is obscured and changed outright. At first, this had the effect of alienating me from all religion. The progression for me went like this:

When I was young, I never cued into the religious teachings of my parents.

Then when I was about twenty one, I taught myself about Christianity (nondenominational) and accepted it fully.

A couple years later began to question some of the tenets and studied with Jehovah's Witnesses. I liked that they seemed to be more active in reading and studying the bible and peeling away some of the tenets in Christianity that I disagreed with. But there were others that were just not right for me (proseletizing door to door being a BIG one!)

A while later, I eschewed ALL religion as being 'too dogmatic and strict and incomplete/altered from its original purpose...

...to now, relaxing a bit, realizing that I am secure enough in my own understanding to be able to study other religions to root out the original intent and understanding that any path that another chooses which gets him closer to the original goal (outlined in conversations with good books as one way of naming the goal) of achieving any higher level of enlightenment, peace, understanding, tolerance, compassion, evolution, etc  than we are at now, is a worthy path.

And that's where I'm at!
Hute

Well I'm near the end of the second book. I must say I didn't know what to think of the political part. I sure hate politics and it seems like a very different take from what Abraham says, and seems contradictory (unlike Abraham, whom I have not seen any contradictions with). On one had, it is said that you get what you focus on. On the other, it seems to say that there is not equal opportunity. It says there are abundant resources but on the other, seems to think that some people would have to give up their resources in order for other people to have them. Am I missing something here?    Or am I just too disgusted with all the political talk to think straight? Also, I found it a little weird that the newspaper was accepted so readily as truth. I have witnessed myself that newspapers are not reliable many times. They have their own agendas too. Anyway not wanting to get in an argument here - just wondering if anyone can clear this all up for me?    The rest of it was good, especially the bit about time. Just the political stuff isn't jiving with the rest of what is in the books. Or with what Abraham says.
jackspark

Yes Laura, I also had some trouble or at least sticking points in the second book.  I just take what works for me and move on.  It seems that I always find places where info doesn't jive with my own path or beliefs.  Doesn't make it bad; it is just his interpretation and not mine.
appellativo

I don't know...it made sense to me. People in this world are so greedy and they hoard and they do have a mindset that I have to get all I can because there isnt enough to go around. I didn't take the book's viewpoints as something to be taken if you don't see it as true to you, but on the other hand I could understand where it was coming from.

A vast majority of the consumption and wealth (as we currently in our society define it) in the world is narrowed down to a very small minority number of people. This is an undeniable fact. With this definition of wealth and opportunity that we currently have as a society, then yes, there is NOT equal opportunity. You just cannot say that a child born in a hovel in the third world has the same opportunities as a child born to a rich family in the US (and that's leaving race completely out of it too.) Ultimately he could get there but the road would be WAY longer even if he could get enough exposure to even know what his potential could be.

Imagine, if the world did an about face in its attitudes (which would be the only thing that would make what I'm about to say even possible) if those who are millionaires or billionaires kept twenty times the amount they needed to live a very nice comfortable life and redesignated the rest into programs to raise the standard of living of others, the poor, and those in third world countries, so that they could make a better life for themselves (see heifer international just as one idea).

If it seems implausible to you cricket and jackspark, then it's only because you haven't gotten the same 'input in' that the author did. If you look, you WILL find it though

But yeah, if it doesn't jive with you, leave it and keep what works for you.  
Hute

Thank you!    I'm not saying it's implausible or it shouldn't happen. It just didn't seem to quite fit with the Law of Attraction. So, I think what is being said, that with that system, it would make equal opportunity - but it wouldn't necessarily improve things, because of the way people are attracting. I think? If you gave someone money who is repelling money, pretty soon he's going to return to the way he was before, unless he changes his point of attraction. And this system of redistribution and one world government would all be fair to everyone only if we all wanted basically the same things.    I think?

I think part of the confusion for me is, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around one world government being a positive thing. I was raised to believe that one world government is evil and would be ruled by the AntiChrist. (I kid you not) Of course I was skeptical but I heard all the arguments why it was bad. I think it's too much power in the hands of a group of people even if they are duly elected. I think it would only work if we were move 'evolved.' I think if we tried to implement this all now it would backfire. Though I do see how it would help the peace movement in a way. I guess that is part of what was bugging me as I was reading - it was missing perspectives. But I suppose God could only speak to the perspective that was there, anything else would not be understood. Maybe that is the answer to what is bothering me and making me feel like that wasn't God speaking in that part? He was just telling the guy what he was ready to hear, and not a more expanded version that I would be ready to hear?
coveredbridgefarm

I finally got around to ordering the first 3 books(in one volume). I haven't received them yet so I probably will never catch up but at least I will eventually have some idea of what all of you are talking about.

Good discussion.

Larry
Hute

LARRY!!!  toothy7 Can't wait to hear what you think too.
appellativo

Cricket you nailed it. He was speaking to the viewpoints of who he was talking to. And yes of course, you can't throw money at someone who can't 'have' money psychologically. But you can even out the playing field so that those who are ready can have the RESOURCES more readily available (not necessarily a welfare state!!! that doesn't work!!).

A forced one world government will never work. It WOULD by nature be forced and evil.

The way I see the whole 'one world' thing is that it will never be forced, it would be peacefully and agreeably made, and only when people DO sufficiently evolve to the point where differences are accepted and people learn to forgive the past transgressions and in the future 'live and let live.' There will be different cultures and styles, but there will also be a united council (man I swear I am not a star wars nut but it seems to be a good example) with representatives who convene to organize and work out logistics.

It would only work if we all agreed, yes. I am sure that if a proper system were in place, there would be the superrich who would like to use their extra resources to help others. It's just that the way people are now precludes it. but with each celebrity that supports a cause and puts his money where his mouth is, and EXPECTS others to do the same, we work toward a better world.

The horse trainer from Australia, Guy McLain (spelling?) says he gets what he gets from his horses because he knows it is possible and he expects it.

I think that we as a society need to expect a little more from our fellow man so that we get it.

If we are content to get what we get, that's all we will ever have.

I am not advocating forcing others into anything, but I am into setting the bar a little above violence, greed, hate, and the other disgusting things that people do and holding the perps accountable and expecting more of them.

I'm the same with my kids, for the record. I expect them to behave and I don't tolerate bad behavior. They know the rules or the natural results of their actions and I allow consequences to be their teachers.

I see into the psychological manipulation techniques that people use to get what they want and I call it like I see it. I don't let it 'work' on me. More people need to rise above it and SEE what is going on so that they aren't manipulated by it!

I think if each person worked on becoming an island of sanity, each family, each neighborhood, and it branched outward....

each one of us though has SO MUCH to even understand about our own human mind and so much to overcome....but it needs to be done. Self improvement and overcoming is our whole job I think.
Hute

Thanks so much, that was really good!! I think I get it now. Expecting more out of your fellow man, not in a critical way, is what he was trying to convey. I guess it threw me there too because God was sounding like a political fanatic that drives me crazy (of ANY persuasion). I guess I needed more reiteration that this monologue was all about trying to achieve a specific goal, not calling people the bad guys. That seemed contradictory too because if you're going to bring out the best in people, you can't call them the bad guys. I guess I'm used to Abe's way of speaking. But Esther and Neale seem very, very different, and I am somewhere in between. The whole God appearing to be different because of different perspectives thing is kind of interesting. I'd like to explore that idea some more and try to understand it.  
misstux

I keep looking for them with no luck at Half Price Books.  I have tried both the Metaphysical and Religious sections.  Am I looking in the right place?  The Metaphysical section is where I found Law of Attraction and Ask.... so I thought that is where I should look.
appellativo

bookstores are hit and miss. you looked in the right section. but you can find them at Half.com. I LOVE LOVE LOVE to buy my books from there! If you already have an ebay account set up, its easier. but setting up an account where you can buy online has been a godsend for me and I save a TON of money!!

Cricket, seeing as how there is nothing or no one that God ISNT, and that 'God' is simply experiencing itself as little individuations of everything, there is nothing that God isn't. And since 'God' has had to 'forget' and cut itself off from itself in its entirety to experience little islands of individual things, its only natural that the perspective would be VERY different from one thing/animal/person to the next.

I love that line in the book (which one LOL) where it says to say to yourself, 'oh look, there I am experiencing myself as a bird, or as a rock, or as an indian child.'

We ARE all one!!! :D
appellativo

I just picked up one of the  many books I am in the middle of and it shed light on what we talked about earlier this morning. Here's the paragraph:

Fill Your World With Your Home Frequency (from Frequency by Penney Peirce)

"You may have reached a similar place where you've put more of your energy into situations than was necessary or 'put up with' difficult people where your energy stabilized others and you tried to keep yourself on an even keel so you could do it all again tomorrow. As you sense your expanded capacity and realize you don't have to sacrifice any part of your self-expression for success, you'll realize that you can imagine 'striking the tone of your tuning fork' and sending the vibration of your home frequency out through the field around you as the organizing frequency of your world. The more you accept that this is possible and can be real, the more you'll see the people and situation in your life coming into resonance with your home frequency. And then life miraculously improves. You'll soon see that you don't need to lower your own vibration to be in the world--it's just as easy to create a successful reality from your home frequency and have friends and colleagues who understand and support you."
appellativo

Another really insightful quote was, "You may now need to entitle yourself to have your home frequency be the basiss of everything in your life, to know that your reality can be fluid and joyful in every area.

"To the extent that you haven't accepted harmony as a way of life,  you will still attract people who challenge or negate your reality.

and guess what was playing on the cd kids radio in my playroom as I read that? A song from the little mermaid soundtrack talking about....

Harmony!

:D

Life is congruous!
Hute

Hey appellativo - I was wondering if you could give me a booklist of recommendations? I think you might already have one somewhere but I forget where. Of course if anyone else does along these lines I would appreciate that too.

Right now I've finished books 1-3 and I'm reading Friendship with God but it's slow going, lol. This one is having a harder time keeping my attention span.
appellativo

I'd definitely get Home with God.

If you haven't already, The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle.

Journey of Souls by Michael Newton

Messages from the Masters by Brian Weiss

Straight from the Horse's Mouth, Amelie Kincaid (sp)

What Horses Say, Julie Dicker/ Clements (the book was coauthored)

Kinship with All Life, J. Boone

Redefine Your Reality, ebook by Shafin DeZane, I can email it to you or you can purchase it on his website). It's HARD reading for about the first half but DOES give you some groundwork in history and quantum mechanics that is GOOOOOOOD to have!! It even gets into relationships and sex (without getting gory or obscene), manifesting your life's purpose, etc.

Holographic Canvas by Sonia Barret (sp)

Your Sixth Sense by Belleruth Naparstek.  This book has GREAT visualizations to practice and have meditations you can use to discover a spiritual guide, if you wish. This would be the type of exercise you could do if you want, but you don't have to. I got a 'visual impression' but nothing else since I am just not 'cued into' making contact with anybody who isn't walking around in this dimension LOL. But mainly this book talks about the logistics of getting in touch with your intuitive side. I enjoyed this book a lot.


Anatomy of the Spirit by Caroline Myss PH.D. (veeery good, on the physical ramifications of spiritual blockages/issues)

I will see if I can find more....
appellativo

Horse Sense for the Leader Within, Arianna Strozzi

Believe, Buck Brannaman

The Faraway Horses, Buck Brannaman. Even if you're not into the style of horsemanship, this man's life is a good example of how human beings affect one another and the strength of spirit it takes to overcome the crap life throws at you and....well, just come out on top spiritually.

I haven't finished it, but Evolve your Brain: The Science of Changing Your Mind by Joe Dispenza, D.C. sounds promising so far.
appellativo

Ohhh!!! And Frequency by Penney Pierce. Veeeery good on finding your true home frequency and holding onto that despite life's ups and downs.

All these books really help you see the logistics of how we are at cause whether we know it or not, and getting us to KNOW it so that we CAN be at cause! It's the difference between fumbling around blind in the dark and mastery of life!
Hute

Thanks Erin.    I think this will keep me busy for quite a while lol.
appellativo

yeah! and don't forget to just sit with yourself and ask yourself, what is it that I want to know? what do i need/want to improve about myself? what sorts of things...what direction do I want to go in? and before you know it, the universe, God, whatever just starts throwing stuff at you and you go, 'thanks! i needed that!'
Hute

Well right now I think it's more about I don't know what I don't know. I don't really feel like I have to improve myself at the moment. Just want to see what's out there. And I have cabin fever lol. Thanks again for your recommendations.  
Hute

The whole Create-A-God thing has been quite the adjustment for me. But I think I get it now. And as I was getting my teeth cleaned this morning I was thinking about it. I think I really like it.    It sure creates a whole new dimension of freedom and possibility.
Hute

Forgot to mention... I didn't know if anybody was interested, but you can get daily quotes from Neale. I don't know if they're actually daily, they seem pretty random. But I got on his Facebook page and found his website where you can sign up for them. I know I love getting daily quotes, the timing is really something at times! If you have trouble finding the website, I can get the link and put it here.
jackspark

Secular Spiritualist, maybe that's a good label for some of us; that is if we want to label ourselves at all.......   Sorry, I was just surfin the word secular this am and came up with this combination, I rather like it!
appellativo

I was watching the Brad Meltzer 'Decoded' episode on the Georgia Guidestones, and they interviewed a lady who studies the philosophy of Rosecrucian-ism. Some of the stuff she said I liked and was along the lines of investigating the spiritual for the purpose of spiritual evolution. It was interesting (but I'm not going to go out and study rosecrucianism I don't think
jackspark

Based on a secret society?  Is that the one?
coveredbridgefarm

I have the book(s) now but the weather is causing more work on the farm which leaves less/no time for reading. I'm still looking forward to it, sometime.

Larry
bit

It makes a real nice book to go out and share territory, Larry.
appellativo

I wikipedia'd rosicrucianism and basically, I think they were trying to achieve the same thing that the CWG books are talking about....a more thoughtful, openminded, enlightened way of being. There are a few different 'divisions' or focuses of RC from what I read, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosecrucian
misstux

I finally found one of the books - Home With God.  I want to read it now, but am thinking I should wait and read it in turn.  Or maybe just go back and re-read it.
appellativo

That was the one (Home with God) that I read first. It did not seem to make a difference to me that I read it 'out of order.' I think I will reread some of these....
jobialkowska

I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but my mum gave me the first conversation with god book to read just after christmas. After coming back to uni where the internet was down, I read the book really fast and actually found it really interesting. I have been brought up a catholic and support the general idea but have always been against the limitations I felt they preached. Whether or not the book is actually a conversation with god is irrelevant. The words have very good meaning and make very clear sense, and they really straightened somethings out for me. I would definately recommend giving it a read
whudson

K...I've taken the subject re trees and our need for paper vs destruction of our oxygen/life giving trees in these books to heart.    

Hemp can easily replace our destruction of trees.  I am finally starting to understand the path of a tree hugger...sorry if that might offend anyone as I have only now had an "aha" moment. Only now. Do we have blinkers on?

I found this site..and I find myself wondering exactly how "stupid" the human race has become...are we evolving or just following the rich person who does indeed remain rich.  I know that we are evolving so I thought I would share this to see what you all thought..just in case you all don't already "know"this.

http://www.hemp.com/hemp-university/quick-facts/
appellativo

OMG. My heart is sinking. It is so sad that we have turned to destroying our forests instead of using hemp.

I have been on the fence regarding the legalization of marijuana. I really don't profess to know what that would do to our country...perhaps it would put the drug lords out of business, but what else would it do... but hell! At least we could be using the hemp for paper, clothing etc for the good of the planet???
whudson

appellativo wrote:
for the good of the planet???


Sounds like a good reason If we don't protect our planet, or take a stand..we will have no more planet..end of conversation.  We will be gone. We need trees for our oxygen, or we will not survive........period.  Hemp sounds like a great idea to me.  Those that have read "Conversation with God" may need to review that topic ,,,just look at the end of the book.  It gives "where you can find that topic and look it up.

It's sad, the simple options/solutions that we have available to us to help protect our life on this planet.
appellativo

ya. I'm telling you, people need to get real verbal about standing up to large corporations. I was reading something about how they are redefining 'person' to include corporations as an entity, so that corporations have the same 'rights' as individuals. This type of stuff is bullsh*&%. Get to know your representatives, know who is giving them money and thus whose interests they are likely to represent!
whudson

Eye opening?

Time for the normally quiet people to get involved.
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