| Archive for It's About The Horse The Free Forum for those Doing Parelli - and a whole lot More! "Anything forced and misunderstood can never be beautiful." Xenophon (430-355 B.C.), |
| Leah |
Do ANY NH trainers teach ANYTHING about correct biomechanicsOr is every single one an exhausting repeat of lateral flexion and hind end disengagement.I was thinking this today.... |
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| Niek |
I think there are. I think nh has to do with principles, those that are really good uphold these principles regardles of box they are put into  .
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| Autumn |
No, And Yes. | ||
| Leah |
And that is all she has to say about that! |
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| fairhavenranch |
No, and yes, and don't forget vertical flexion!
Traci |
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| Nashama |
"Wrangler" Jayne Glenn has been talking about pain in the horses of her students lately, but generally my experience is a big fat "NO!" Most do not have a clue. I have horses I will not allow to jump. one trainer is still sulking after I explained to him the biomechanics of jumping, and that is why he is wrong it simulates the canter transition and why he is placing his levels program above the welfare of the horses in it. I was told to get this horse through L1 I had to come up with an alternative and I was "YOU are the f#$%! instructor!" Rather than licking and chewing over it, he really is sulking, then put up a link to a massage video and I and several other equine clinicians were silently 'EEK!' All pretty common.
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| Suzie and Blue |
Would Karen Rolf count? She studied Parelli stuff but then does her own Dressage Naturally. | ||
| Leah |
Karen is great but no she can't count! She has an excellent dressage background first. So she already KNEW what was right and wrong!! BUT she is a great mix and blend of the two so glad you mentioned her. 
I am thinking of Pat... Clinton Anderson? I have a funny feeling he knows something-just teaches lateral flexion and bull whips? Dennis Reis-he has more of a clue I believe? I have to go back and see how correct his information is or if it is just the talk without the walk Mark Rashid-he does Footfalls correct? So maybe yes on him? Harry Whitney-oh there is one! Ginger Gaffney is one Terry Church is one. OK...now my brain is thinking again. |
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| PasoBaby_CarolU |
Larry Whitesell teaches rear end ENGAGEMENT instead of disengagement. That's why I study with him. Granted, his specialty is gaited horses, but trot is also a gait, is it not?
BTW - he doesn't reteach any NH principles. He starts where you end with Parelli or Clinton and goes forward to use the hind end. No gadgets, no harsh bits or forcing the horse into head gear. Just rear end WORK. He studies classical dressage in France every year and I'm lost to remember who he studies with, but he applies what he learns then to his natural gait program. |
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| Leah |
I have actually heard good things about him. | ||
| PasoBaby_CarolU |
Oh yeah...Clinton studied with Larry for several weeks before he did his gaited horse videos. Larry is who he learned it from. | ||
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| Suzie and Blue |
Oh, and Fawn Anderson who is a Parelli Instructor studies with Karen Rolf in Florida as well, so she'd be a good one to keep around. | ||
| Leah |
OK since I wouldn't let you have Karen you can keep Fawn! |
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| Nashama |
Must look more into Karen R. Thanks all, for that info!
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| Horse Gypsy |
From what I got from his book, I think Ray Hunt speaks a lot about straightness, I have yet to try some other clinicians- But there has to be a reason why Dr Deb recommends Harry Whitney and Josh Nickol. | ||
| Suzie and Blue |
Thanks Leah 
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| Leah |
OH-can this be moved to the biomechanics forum?
Sorry-for some reason I didn't see that when i started this! |
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| cynthia peterson |
Mark Rashid has a good Footfalls and Influences Movement DVD. | ||
| kristie |
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| Julie |
Rear end engagement is the way to go.
I have a classical instructor and most of the direct / indirect rein is directly translated to classical, its the rear end disengagement thats the problem, but Pat was teaching people who have [problem horses so to keep safe rear end disengage is great, but what to do when the horses are safe - he has not put the rear end engagement back in yet!!! |
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| Horse Gypsy |
Julie-glad you said that- because I just got this TB mare who is 9 and not started yet- and well she is a little challenging- although I think she has some potential- which I am excited about- not bad for a free horse- but yes that HQ thing is for control and shouldn't be over used. I have had to shut her down a few times with that when she has tried to get away for me- but this is an unbroke horse so that is entirely different than using it to constantly call your horse in or what have you. | ||
| Horse Gypsy |
I just watched KR second DVD in her series and she goes into hind quarter engagement and disengagement- It was just what I was trying to do, but couldn't quite figure out. IT is a much watch! | ||
| Julie |
If you think that with the circling game you progress from disengaging the hindquarters to transitions whilst remaining on the circle, it stands to reason that you would refine your aids when riding in the same way, and no longer disengage unless necessary. Also to disengage you ask the horse to step under laterally and displace the weight sideways, in a halt or half halt you ask your horse to step under in a straight line and displace the weight backwwards. | ||
| kristie |
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| Julie |
no but it would be interesting to see what she says | ||
| supertrooper |
Was that the ABC's of collection?? | ||
| kristenhorseluv |
It's Dec 2006 I think. I searched on the SC site and a one hour episode came up. | ||
| kristie |
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| supertrooper |
Hmm I will have to re-watch that too. | ||
| Blue Flame |
I'll have to watch again too. I do remember that it includes that controversial pivot on the front leg that there was a thread on . . . . I will not be asking horse to do that pivot anymore. | ||
| Chablis |
Mel Fleming teaches about biomechanics but is mainly teaching in Australia these days... There are some articles on her website.
www.melfleming.com.au And I just happen to be going to a demonstration this Saturday.
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| Julie |
Good articles
http://www.melfleming.com.au/images/understanding_biomechanics.pdf |
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| Chablis |
This is one of my instructors, his name is Birger Gieske. He is a former 5* Parelli instructor who unfortunately lives in Germany so I only get to see him once a year when he visits Australia.
He's fantastic! http://www.horse-man.de/index.php?article_id=41 |
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| appellativo |
Julie, in that WONDERFUL article by Mel Fleming, I noticed that her horse, Alchemist, was a formerly poor-moving, lame horse given to her by Pat and Linda after she had made so much progress with him. What an interesting twist....Pat and Linda give their lame/poor moving horses to others to fix.........hmmm.
(edit: not to say they messed him up, he was donated to the parelli ranch because of his poor condition) |
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| roxydoodle |
I's say Brent Graef takes a pretty good stab at it. He emphasises straightness--on & off the circle--and he HATES that drilling the front foot in while doing the disengage. He does a lot of HQ work and pays lots of attn to footfall. He's great. | ||
| AlythLong |
Blue Flame, when a horse pivots on one leg he is supposed to be able to pick that leg up and put it down again in the same spot. He shouldn't turn twisting the leg he is pivoting on.
Alyth |
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| BuffaloBill |
Does anyone know Honza Blaha? I was at a clinic with him and he talked a lot about balance - if not biomechanics. He was critizing Parelli's hindquarter disengagement a lot (said it was horsemanshit ) to willingly disbalance the horse when you should really try hard to balance the horse and yourself...
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