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fairhavenranch

False Sole

OK.  Here we go.  I need to unravel a definition that I guess I have wrong.  

I was under the understanding that this sentence:

It is a layer of DEAD sole that for some reason simply has not shed off a little at a time. Though it appears to be live, (with apparent live horn tubules ) it is in fact dead, with a very thin layer of chalky material under it, between it and the truly live sole.

And this sentence:

They would have a layer of sole that looked fine but would have a chalky line under it, if I got my hoof pick in there it would peel off.

meant the same thing.

I guess I thought false sole was exfoiliating sole.  Now I'm not sure what it is.   So I went online and now I'm even more confused.  

Can I please get a correct definition of "False Sole" so my farrier and I can have another "animated discussion".

Thank You.
fairhavenranch

Ah ha!!!!!!!!  Oh my farrier and I are so going to be talking.

The sole covers the bottom surface of the hoof and is about one-third water. It is similar to the wall because it is made up of tubules; the tubules curl near the ground surface, which explains its self-limiting growth and causes shedding. On a healthy foot the sole will be slightly concave, elevated off the ground. If the sole bears pressure it will often bruise, causing lameness, and may develop into an abscess. The bars are also on the bottom of the foot, arising from the heels where the walls turn inward and grow along the frog. Along with the outer wall, the bars are a weight-bearing surface. The bars need to be pared out by the farrier periodically to prevent their overgrowing the sole. This is called an impacted or double sole. When this occurs, the bars grow longer and longer, folding over and eventually covering the whole bottom of the foot, creating a great deal of pressure on the true sole. At its extreme, the false sole connects to the hoof wall and develops a nerve and blood supply. At this point the farrier must work very carefully and slowly to remove the excess tissue.
Clarissa

Re: False Sole

fairhavenranch wrote:
I guess I thought false sole was exfoiliating sole.  Now I'm not sure what it is.   So I went online and now I'm even more confused.  

Can I please get a correct definition of "False Sole" so my farrier and I can have another "animated discussion".

Thank You.


 

I think I read that same info FH & came to the same conclusion that it was the old sole not shedding properly. But I also had the sneeking susspicion I was missing some vital bit of info.  

Late last year my horses shed their soles & some did not come away cleanly. It may have been possible for those old soles to become trapped around the edges by the new growth, thereby giving the appearance of bulging thick soles. At one point Sonny had that very thing on 1 front foot. There is a photo of that sole on his old thread back about late Nov09 or early Dec09 I think.

If the old sole doesnot shed, crap can accumulate under it along with that chalky stuff & I can imagine there might be parts that would still be fed by the hoof.
fairhavenranch

Why is it the more I learn the less I feel I know?
Clarissa

fairhavenranch wrote:
Ah ha!!!!!!!!  Oh my farrier and I are so going to be talking.
The bars need to be pared out by the farrier periodically to prevent their overgrowing the sole. This is called an impacted or double sole. When this occurs, the bars grow longer and longer, folding over and eventually covering the whole bottom of the foot,


Ah! I see....... not sure about the "paring out by the farrier periodically" bit though!
mmmmmm
fairhavenranch

Well, I guess before they do this.

http://barefoothoofcare.wordpress.com/?s=false+sole
fairhavenranch

Hello?  Where are all my trusted trimmers/farriers/horse hoof professionals this morning?!

I'm anxious to hear everyone's take on this rather simple but somehow confusing matter!
carefreegirl

well from my limited understanding a false sole is often an exfoliating/shedding sole that is not shedding, so in other words it is dead, or at least mostly dead but for some reason the hoof is holding onto it and the area between the false sole and the healthy sole underneath can get dirt and other nastys in it, and that along with the extra pressure of the false sole can cause abscesses. I think it can also be caused or worsened by overlaid bars, though I don't think overlaid bars in and of themselves cause all false soles. Though I may be thinking incorrectly, but there you go I gave you something else to confuse you.    

I have not had to deal with this phenomenon yet and so don't know much about it, but I enjoy threads like this that help bring things I haven't yet personally encountered into play so that when I do encounter them I have some knowledge to go by, so thanks for bringing this topic up.  
fairhavenranch

Leah?  Anyone else?
Hank

I used to remove exfoliating sole with carefree abandon. It looked so "tidy" and pretty when you took it down to the solid, waxy sole. Then I moved to the desert. I no longer remove ANY sole that doesn't come out with the hoofpick.

I will argue that there is even such a thing as "false sole". If the hoof is retaining sole, it probably has a reason.

If the sole has a blood supply, it is NOT false, it is PROBABLY foundered.

Just my non-scientific opinion.

Ruth Hamilton
Kim Cassidy

fairhavenranch wrote:
Well, I guess before they do this.

http://barefoothoofcare.wordpress.com/?s=false+sole


This person is a Strasser trimmer and I wouldn't trust her opinion on false sole or impacted bars  

Here is a picture of a horse with overlaid bars.  He is very sick, the owners very poor and they only have me come out 2x a year to trim him.

The first photo shows the RH before trim, the second shows the foot after I nippered the bars out, the third photo the finished trim.  I don't normally trim  the foot down to solid, waxy sole like this.... But.... I do as much as I can since I only see him every 6 months.

Personally, I think the horse should be allowed to die, but I don't get to make the decisions like that


fairhavenranch

ridingallday: Can you please define "false sole" for me, its causes and identification?

Thank You!
karmikacres

False sole is viable sole growth to an abnormal thickness due to lack of structure elsewhere in the foot.  It is still being nourished by the underlying corium.  This is laid down to protect or stabilize the hoof, and has nothing to do with overgrown bars.  Bars are bars, sole is sole.

Exfoliating sole is no longer being nourished.

Viable sole is normal healthy sole.

Sensitive sole is the underlying dermal layer.

Any abnormal structure is most likely the result of some other deficiency.  I know that is pretty broad, but includes lack of structure, infection, trauma, congenital defects, etc...

Sorry this took so long to post.  

Mike
fairhavenranch

Thank you, Mike.  I appreciate your post.  

I need to think about this for a minute........
Kim Cassidy

fairhavenranch wrote:
ridingallday: Can you please define "false sole" for me, its causes and identification?

Thank You!


I'm with Ruth on this one, I think False Sole doesn't exist and it is a poor choice of words.  It is kind of like asking "Is there an Easter Bunny?"    

In the photos I've shared the horse has too much bar that was not exfoliated by the horse, due to the horse's issues.  I removed the bars on both sides in one shot by grabbing the lateral bar with my nippers and peeling it all off.  It came off in one piece.  Still not false sole.

I have only seen false sole in two instances.  One a horse stalled 24/7 and I recognized it by the ridges growing in the collateral grooves.  Another was a severely, long term foundered pony.  It had a slipper toe and when I sawed it off, I saw layers of sole, that looked like sediment.  It kept the coffin bone from penetrating.  

I was scared to remove it, so went carefully.  I hope that my words sink in... I was SCARED to remove it, I tread very carefully.  As should anyone thinking of carving up sole.

So Fair, I feel that a False Sole is a rare occurrence, tread lightly.  Ignore the strasserites and their cohorts.
Hank

fairhavenranch wrote:
Well, I guess before they do this.

http://barefoothoofcare.wordpress.com/?s=false+sole


That doesn't look like a false sole by definition. That is simply at first--an overgrown hoof, walls/bars, the sole appears in the right place to me. THEN--it is a really overtrimmed hoof.
fairhavenranch

Quote:
If the hoof is retaining sole, it probably has a reason.


Quote:
False sole is viable sole growth to an abnormal thickness due to lack of structure elsewhere in the foot.


I think I'm getting it.

Thank you all so much.

Now if he would just wear off his toes as fast as he wears off his soles.
Leah

fairhhaven-do you have photos posted anywhere?
fairhavenranch

No.  I should not have started all this barefoot/flat footed/false sole stuff without them, I know.

Next trim I'll get before and afters and then blow my head off after you all tell me how screwed up this horse is.
Autumn

fairhavenranch wrote:
No.  I should not have started all this barefoot/flat footed/false sole stuff without them, I know.

Next trim I'll get before and afters and then blow my head off after you all tell me how screwed up this horse is.


It is hard to post pics, but in the end it will probably be a good thing. Dont be scared! I am SURE everyone here will be kind and gentle with you...
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