Mikey Wanzenried

AlythLong · Mikey Wanzenried

Does anyone remember the youtube video Mikey and Red Sun? It was one of the best imo. Now I have learned that Mikey is studying to be a Phillipe Karl instructor. Wow, I wish he would come to New Zealand!!!
Alyth

cokey

You sure that it's Mikey that 's studying with PK? I know Wally Gegenschatz is.. Maybe they both are?!

TrickMule

They both are.

Niek

They both are.. Some other instructors rode or ride with PK to..

As far as i know : Carmen Zulauf, Berni Zambail, Adrian Heinen al ride or rode with PK at one point..

Mikey and Wally are great great teachers.. Altough Wally doesnt travel any more. We are trying to get mikey here again alteast 2 times next year.. I missed this years course unfortonetly due to moving in a new appartment together with my gf.. But il be there next year :D

PasoBaby_CarolU

Here is the video. I have it bookmarked. It's one of my favorites and an inspiration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2yDdRK_Zc

I'm glad that he's continuing his studies and very jealous of you Niek,

I would love to attend a clinic with him.

whudson

thelmanelle

I love Mikey and Red Sun. So glad he is going with Phillipe Karl. How cool is that?!!!!

BuffaloBill

Martin Wimmer and Patricia Valdhaus, 3-star-PP-s in Austria, are also in Philippe Karl's instructor-courses!
Seems the majority of the German-speaking PNH-instructors are studying with Philippe Karl

, which is very cool.

4theloveofjake

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgu...6sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1

This says he's been training with Phillipe Karl since 2007, I have always enjoyed watching Mikey.......he is amazing !!

cynthia peterson

Julie

Pk is starting a course in the UK next year - i don't think any parelli instructors on it though, but charlotte Dennis is on the waiting list!

My friend Dorothy is however doing it - but she is a ride with your mind instructor!

jobialkowska

Love him too! The both of them in fact

Tigerlily

can someone clarify something for me....i'm confused.

IS Mikey studying to be a PK instructor? and if so....isn't this NOT allowed by parelli? Ya know, being endorsed by PK? and PNH? I thought you had to be loyal to PNH alone??

Niek

Yes he is studying in the instructors program, and yes he wants to be an instructor.

We asked during one of our courses how pat/parelli corp felt about this due to the parelli demanding loyalty.

I dont know if this is the place to put down a story as internet will cause it to lead its own life.. But short story is he talked about this in private with pat and he didnt get a negative response

..

karmikacres

PasoBaby_CarolU

LOL Mike...still stinging?

I would imagine that combining PK with being a Parelli Instructor can't help but make PNH look better. The Balanced Horse video certainly demonstrates how it can be a beautiful and perfect combination of schools.

As I recall, the recommendation that you stay with PNH exclusively is only until you graduate L3, because until then you are still building a foundation and aren't ready for specialized education.

I personally feel that this is person-dependent. I've always studied outside PNH for gait education, and I've never gotten any flack from anyone for doing so. Gait education is very different then horsemanship education.

Also I really believe, when people are just starting out with horses they SHOULD stay in PNH through L3 to get a good start in understanding horses and horsemanship. That is pretty much what I wrote in my survey...they have the best Foundation program, and need to keep it polished.

karmikacres

cynthia peterson

I do not think any PP can be a endorsed instructor for anyone then Parelli at the same time. So, it would seem he would be either a Parelli Endorsed Professional or a PK one in the end. I also would "think" either PK or Parelli would frown on someone gleaning info to carry back for the "other" side to "sell" as their own.

Incidently, my deleted post on Mikey on page one was how much Pat "gleaned" from Mikey.

Good to hear from Mike and Karen again!

PasoBaby_CarolU

cynthia peterson

Just to keep the record straight, ( I know you love a good discussion, Carol! ) I think Martin Black and Buck Brannaman are known for more then Bridle Horsemen, just as Pat is known for more then his best talented endeavor. If it was the Bridle Horse part that would bring the ire to Parelli students, then Pat would be in trouble, as that is the very direction Pat is working toward. Already he has horses in full bridle. Buck and Martin are the same RH students he feels are his peers. Pat would not miss being in any RH event if he could. That's how much he thought of Ray Hunt.

PS, I believe you don't see or hear of Martin and Buck going to a "WAZ" (and wasn't that Linda's idea, wives talk husbands into wonderful things don't they?) is because they don't have the network (SC club) to tell students they are. Believe me, they are still out there learning a better way too. Great horsemen never stop doing that.

I believe Mike and Karen are talking about more then Buck and Martin also. But, hey, what do I know?

Niek

Mike,

I think the sending out is an underestimation of atleast the EU instructors.

And last stories i heard Pat wasnt really interested in the stuff PK teaches.. He believes in WAZ.

The eu instructors i know did this because they are great horseman who dont want to stop learning, who constantly look for solutions even outside the parelli box..

My feeling is that the eu instructors are far more disconnected from Corp.. For the better of them..

PasoBaby_CarolU

Cynthia...first and foremost, this thread was about Mikey, PNH, and PK. It had nothing to do with Bridlehorse training until Mike brought it up.

Bridlehorse is just ONE of the things Pat does. He also does Liberty, PNH, dressage, cutting, reining, etc. Yes, I consider Pat, Buck, Martin, peers...and that is why I can't see Pat taking lessons from Buck or Martin, anymore then I can see why they'd take lessons from Pat. I find it preposterous to think that he should.

I have never seen or heard of Buck or Martin do anything besides Bridlehorse. If they do dressage or compete in cutting or reining or do liberty and PNH with their horses, that is fine. I remember that Buck trained some Polo ponies years ago. But, I do believe they define themselves as Bridlehorsemen.

I get really tired of this Buck vs Pat argument all the time, even in threads that have nothing to do with Bridlehorses! There really are whole OTHER worlds of Horsemanship outside of the western United States. It's OK to talk about OTHER schools here. And it's OK to talk about PNH without starting the same old Buck vs. Pat fight...again.

karmikacres

I said nothing about bridle horse training, you keep interjecting this into the discussion. IMO, Martin and Buck are far better horsemen than Pat will ever be, regardless of the discipline, not to mention they are approachable and available to learn directly from. It was pretty cool to see Martin jumping his bridle horse at the Legacy of Legends event. It was also very cool to see our new colt get his first three rides, and even do some jumping on day 3

Mike

PasoBaby_CarolU

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their own journey Mike. You might be impressed by that, I wouldn't, and am glad I wasn't there to see it.

Enjoy your journey.

I would like to remind everyone to contain their anti-Parelli comments in the MONEY forum and not let it contaminate the rest of the forum. This forum is for people who still do Parelli (and a bunch of other stuff) with their horses.

Thank you all.

karmikacres

And it is precisely this attitude that continues to drive us further and further away from Parelli...

Enjoy your journey.

Mike

karmikacres

PasoBaby_CarolU

Karen, I'm glad you had a great time and have found mentors to help you proceed on your journey.

I am sorry that my opinion "overrides" others, but that kind of happens when you are the Admin of a forum.

I would ask is that people who want to comment about Buck do so WITHOUT a derogatory comment about Parelli before or after their comment. I actually have no idea why Buck was even brought up in this thread. He has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.

I have asked MANY TIMES that negative comments be confined only in the part of the forum set up for it and let the other people enjoy the rest of the forum without it. This forum was set up for people who do PNH outside of the Savvy Club, but you might never get that from reading some people's posts. They have driven a number of students away with all the Buck vs Pat negativity. I vowed several weeks ago to keep it OFF the main forum and THAT is what I'm trying to do.

My personal comment about the Legacy of Legends had to do with Mike's description of the colt starting. I don't believe in starting 2-year-old colts the traditional way, nor over a weekend, nor jumping a horse until it is five years old and the bones of the back are finished growing I know it is "showmanship" and 'traditional' and having seen plenty of it and know it goes on all the time, I don't have to like it or watch it. That is my personal opinion. Others are welcome to discuss the colt starting to their heart's content.

karmikacres

Well Carol, you are again making assumptions about the way the colts were started, there was no showmanship, and the colts got exactly what they needed with no goals set by Buck or Martin. Either one would have spent all the allotted time saddling or bridling if that was as far as they could get. It was great to see Levi willingly go with Martin over some trot poles on the third day.

If you are so against showmanship and traditional colt starting over a weekend, you should voice your opposition to the Road To The Horse that Pat is willingly competing in. That event is truly a contest in which the sure loser is the horse.

Buck was brought into this thread because Mikey is riding with PK, Fawn is riding with Buck. Both are seeking, with the approval of PNH, to improve their horsemanship. I gather some of this will make it back to Parelli land. Pat actually recommends Martin to his proteges and mastery students, one is currently spending 2 years with Martin. She was told "do not miss the opportunity".

Mike

PasoBaby_CarolU

Mike, there is probably something about me you don't understand. I don't need to follow any ONE horseman blindly nor totally. Just because Buck, Martin, and Pat start 2-year-olds doesn't mean (a. I have to like it and watch it, or (b. I can't learn other things from them. Having started a number of colts I do believe moving a young colt that fast is "showmanship" and I honestly don't care if it's done by a respected horseman, clinician, or top name professional trainer.

The world of horse training is gradually changing to where starting 2-year-olds is unacceptable - by anybody. We criticize Pat and others for it on here, we shouldn't grant Martin or Buck a pass because they've studied at the right hand of Tom. Quite simply their bones and joints are not ready for it, and few are ready for it emotionally. I personally feel it is too young a horse to do so much with - regardless of what the trainer says.

You know Mike, I can take the things I like about Buck, Tom, PK, Pat, Martin, dozens of Paso trainers, and apply it to my horses, and leave all the stuff I don't like behind. I don't have to like EVERYTHING someone does to learn a lot from them. I have not met a perfect horseman yet, and I don't expect to before I die. I'm sure this is sacrilegious to some, but I don't believe any of them are God.

Julie

Avoiding the annoying argueing and back to the original thread.

I would have thought that PK would be taking people into the instructo programme due to the commitment as a horseman to learn, and despite the fact that someone has studied PNH. I don't think the two are connected. You are selected to study with PK, and he takes people from all areas of horsemanship - the dedication is what he is looking for - the dedication to teach as much as to learn. The courses are expensive and even the auditors have to commit to attending the full course!

I have one friend on the UK course and another auditing, so it will be interesting to see how their views compare!

PasoBaby_CarolU

Thank you Julie for getting the thread back on track.

I often envy young people these days. There were very few education opportunities like this when I was young, I remember none. The Internet also has opened up many avenues of instruction, primarily that average horse owners can read, research, and become aware of the different schools available. For someone wanting to pursue a life with horses, there are so many choices now.

When I studied horsemanship growing up, it was the 4-H Horse Program. Luckily I had some incredible teachers and leaders with a lot of horse knowledge. I knew there were the big equestrian schools in Europe, but they were totally out of reach, and nothing in the states. On the Plus side, when I was young there were many good horsemen around to learn from. We were not quite a generation from when most people had rural backgrounds and lived on farms and ranches. Horses were used for farming, ranching, hauling supplies, and most transportation. I think most people were a lot closer to animals back then. I remember several, including my first 4-H teacher, who were excellent with horses, in a nice, calm, understated way. I was very lucky.

If the Horse in Balance video is a good example of what can be accomplished by combining the two programs, then I'm really looking forward to Mikey's future. It will be something to see. And I really hope he does some electronic courses and shares it.

BuffaloBill

At the moment I'm simply envying myself

because Mikey will be at our barn in May 2011 for a two-day-clinic. Of course I'll take part and am looking sooo much forward to it.

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cynthia peterson

Fantastic Bufflo Bill! And will he be coming as a Parelli Pro, PK instructor, or Independent? What is the name of his Clinic so I can keep taps of whose all going and what you will be learning?

BuffaloBill

He will be here als a PP. I don't think the has clinics as a Philippe Karl Instructor yet, because he hasn't finished this program yet (?). I think it takes three years or something.
We are a few Parelli-people at our barn and I guess the clinic will be more of a workshop, we are different levels. I'm somewhere between Level 2 and 3, i'd say. We have a beginner in our midst, too. So I guess (hope) he will work with us on what ever is needed. I have no details yet except the date - we got his two last free days in 2011

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If you like, I can write a report about it (if I don't forget - there are 6 months between today and the clinic, and I'm an old woman

)

PasoBaby_CarolU

I would LOVE a report! I would LOVE a video! LOL I am green with envy. Six months does seem a long ways away.

AlythLong

I would definitely appreciate a report as well!! And pictures!!!

Koronaya

Niek

no i wont be comming to Switzerland.. We get mikey here :9 I would hope to go some time, but its quite the hassle apperently