Remmer's rotated pelvis

Sunny · Remmer's rotated pelvis

I went to watch the needle shy demo from the May 2006 SC DVD and found a segment where Linda was riding Nova instead of Remmer.

Linda says at the very beginning of the film that Remmer had "been doing acrobatics in the pasture" the day before they brought him to this tour stop and "wrentched himself and rotated his pelvis". Could this have been the start of his "weak hocks", etc.

She says they're at the Kentucky Savvy Tour stop and next week they'd be at the Arkansas one. They play Mary Ann Kennedy's song "When You Carry Me" while Linda is riding Nova. The DVD cover says that song was copyrighted 2005.

So the tour stop had to have been filmed in 2005 or 06. When did Remmer start having weak hocks, not be able to stand for shoeing, start running out the gates with Linda screaming for help, etc...

Perhaps he never recovered from this injury???????????

She says he received some acupuncture and a massage. Anything else? And she said he'd be back for the Arkansas tour stop. Anyone see him there? Or if so, how he looked?

Hummmmm....... How INTERESTING!

Nashama

The short answer is 'probably'. The treatment answer is it can be treated successfully, it is not uncommon. One of the horses Glen trims and massages broke his pelvis.

One of our own broke his wing of ilium while on lease and I am treating him for that now with terrific success. This break is 13 years old and we only just realised after the last course that this was his real problem with his health. He broke that on lease in 1996 and they never said anything, just threw him out in the nearby forest to live or die. It takes a vet, massage therapist, acupuncturist and a chiropractor to treat this working together is our experience, and, once again, a spell out in the paddock with no shoes and a barefoot trim. This horse regularly pigs under saddle because his hips hurt.

A hip that is out is a regular fix for Glen, who does some chiro and massage as well as barefoot trimming.

Mandy'sMarty

Jules--I'm curious about your horse's broken wing of ilium. How did you identify that as the primary issue? Assymetrical appearance of the hip? Process of elimination of other possible issues? That's quite an old break. What healing modalities is he responding to?

Does Glen find 'the hip that is out' to be typically the primary issue, or a compensation of something out of balance elsewhere, e.g. in the front of the horse?

Sunny · Remmer

And how do you tell if a hip or pelvis is broken? Can it be x-rayed? Do you just feel it? What if it is just a hairline fracture?

My son broke his pelvis in four places (passenger in a car accident) and nothing shifted, it could only be seen on x-rays. It hurt like hell and took quite a bit to heal. With all of Remmer's antics, couldn't he have been in pain and compensated, causing all of these other problems? And perhaps be still in pain and no one knows?

I certainly value all of your folks' experience in this area and appreciate all of your talents. So glad you are here to educate me! I really don't have a lot of vet/chiro experience, my horses stay pretty sound and healthy...knock on wood.

Nashama

One of the standard checks for JENTS practitioners is to feel and look for for pelvic shears, abnormalities in the levels, etc. of the ischium, ilium, and sacral tuberosities, and of course, hind hoof and hock action and whether the head bob is upward. We are not allowed to diagnose, only vets can do that, but we look and feel for certain irregularities and what they may indicate.

With Larry, the broken pelvis, he was taken from Canberra to Sydney to try and x-ray his broken pelvis at the Sydney University Vet Clinic at Camden then spent months locked in a box.

With Rhydian, he's always offloaded a leg, never been even since the lease, all of those things. When the original chiro did his hips there was a vast improvement, but this time, having been taught a whole new series of tests he ticked way too many boxes still on his hips, so I investigated with the torch and with feel. He nearly went through the treetops the first time I ran the torch over his left tuber coxae. His right is smooth and nicely shaped, the left is awful under his skin. You can actually feel the break calcification. I have been doing a particular pattern developed by Allen M Schoen and Rhydian has improved in himself amazingly. He has gone from chewing holes in particular points on his ribs and hips and rubbing points on his buttocks raw to looking like a healthy, well moving, 17yo partbred Arabian horse that used to jump a 5' gate with ease as a 4yo.

The problem with horses hips is they are extremely difficult to x-ray and there are not that many ways to treat them effectively. The hip joint itself is impossible to x-ray, you have to look for gait, stance and bone abnormalities. A good farrier or body worker can tell a lot from hoof wear patterns as well as the above physical tests. I am looking at protective crystals as the last schools I did I took on board way too much of the horse's pain. I find as I tune more to using chi, energy, I feel more just from the interruptions to chi I feel in the horse. Glen has always felt tingling from the interruption to the magnetic fields around an injury, something he was born with, but I have had to develop any feel for it with some Tai Chi and meditation practice, not that either of those methods are alien or difficult for me.

However hips may be difficult, but they are not impossible to treat as guys like Allen Schoen and Brian McLaren have ably demonstrated with acutherapy, and as many a chiro has demonstrated.

becdubie

You all must have some kind of insight into Remmer that I haven't heard.
Savvylearner, you say:

Sunny

Nashama

becdubie

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Sunny · remmer

I found this from the sc forum, cynthia and Merle posted Feb 13, 2009...

Sunny · remmer

For those of you newer people to this forum here is Remmer's youtube clip again of how he moved from July 30, 1997 just 30 days before I sold him to Linda.

Notice the big round feet....and no shoes. My husband (a professional farrier) did all of Remmer's trimming since he was 3 months old (as well as Casper and ALL of the horses at the ISC when we lived there).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASYD0Eqs4ps

And, Remmer's movement was never that great to begin with. He only scored a 61.5 out of 100 points.

cynthia peterson

My quote above in Carol's post (from the SC Forum) was of WAZ and Linda at the TN Celebration.

I too, have asked the question of why or what has happened to Remmer? It really comes down to something has happened since Linda has owned Remmer. Something since those early years when Linda thrilled us jumping barrels at the tours. It was plain to see Remmer was a wonderful willing horse. It seemed to be his disposition to please and be willing. There seems to be two reasons here that could be a factor, either/or or possibly both. Either Linda's riding/training was not effective as the years went on. We have all seen someone buy a trained horse and have this happen over the years. Or did jumping those barrels, at a dangerous angle cause injury? Add to that Remmer on his forehand all the time?

Now, I have had better experts then I, tell me Linda has a uneffective seat. I know she looked ragdoll at times, but it is pretty clear she always was stiff in the shoulders and arms. I know about that, because I fight it all the time too.

Now, Remmer did not have these problems before, something happened. I think you are being kind Carol, assuming it was a injury. If it was ONLY a injury maybe there was hope. I know Linda loves Remmer. I know she loves Pat. Do you see a connection as to how her personality reads?

kristie

Sunny

Here's a bump in response to this clip's comment on the bottom... evidently this girl has her facts mixed up.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_se...;fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3Dfy5TDrAXgNA

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