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| leighj |
Rollkur or hyperflexionHi,I'm new to this forum and would be grateful if some of you would sign a petition against hyperflexion, and the use of draw reins etc in training. There is a book and DVD 'Classical versus Modern Dressage by Dr. Gerd Heuschmann' (a German vet and rider/trainer) and as I teach Structure and Movement here in the UK, so much of what he says confirms what a lot of us have thought! If you google his name you should get the opportunity (if you're interested) to sign a petition of support for him. On 9th February 2010, he is going up behind closed doors, with the FEI and many pro Rollkur people to state his case for the ban or limit to this rather barbaric method of trying to get a horse to 'use' its back! Thanks for your time! It's something horses aren't allowed of lot of when it comes to some methods of training v results. |
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| Niek |
Hi leighj welcome to our board
I think if you read around you'll find your preaching to the choir here, most of us signed these petitions already  thanks for bringing it to our attention again
Niek |
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| oldmac_donald |
*raises hand*
What is the defining degree between low, deep, round and rollkur? If rollkur is made illegal, then there will have to be a legal cut-off point between riding deep, and riding too deep. Deep is a technique that my instructor uses to get the horse to give it's back. Very effective, and I've yet to see a horse ridden (under his instruction) too deep for too long, or become distressed when used appropriated and conscientiously. Behind the vertical is not the same as behind the bit. It's even used by a classical UK instructor whom I have the utmost respect for, as a tool if needed. I've also seen the effective use of draw reins in situations that have required them. Primarily for horses who required "something extra" to jolt them out of a biomechanically bad postural habit, and who were ridden by riders unable to physically place the horses were they needed to be. Used under complete supervision for 10, 15 minutes maximum. A tool if needed. Rollkur, as in the case of Scandic (head on chin for hours) is terrible and tragic. Definitely ought to be policed! I just think there needs to be very careful lines drawn between what is helpful and what is harmful. And seriously, most of it is common sense (when is enough training, horse is unhappy, etc) but that seems to be overshadowed by the win drive at times! |
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| fairhavenranch |
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| Niek |
LDR is what anky calls her method, still looks like rollkur.. I guess each to his own needs to make up their mind on where the difference lies for them selfs http://www.youtube.com/user/ulrikethiel#p/c/E5F2368118F2B2E0 good documentation on that. As to btv not being behind the bit, i disagree, im with PK that a good foreward and down stretch holds better results in stretching the topline http://www.philippe-karl.com/modu...amp;location_id=354&topicid=3 holds some information as to what over bending (btv) ads in weight to the front.. As to drawreins , i guess if one thinks a tool like extra reins is needed these are the most usefull ones, as they still rely on the feel of the rider if the rider holds them... I still disagree with the use of them though I once read a quote (i cant remember the exact one anymore) but it stated that auxillary reins (Drawreins etc) are a great tool in the hands of a master, but a master doesnt need them.. But hey, each to his own ofcourse 
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