| Archive for It's About The Horse The Free Forum for those Doing Parelli - and a whole lot More! "Anything forced and misunderstood can never be beautiful." Xenophon (430-355 B.C.), |
| Julie |
Suggestions pleaseSara who is 17 is studying Horse management at college, which is not at all classical. She is way ahead of most of her instructors in this, so now she has the following assignment! She needs help expressing this!Assignment Question Show/explain the history and development of riding techniques on the flat. Wrtie about two classical riding schools and the influence thay have had on the classical riding position- spanish riding school in vienna and Cadre Noir in Saumur. She wants to really wow them. I have a number of books for her, but all explanations, sources, everything you can possibly add would be welcome as some of you have a great turn of phrase,and a lot of knowledge |
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| Niek |
ive got a 108 page pdf laying around that has some detailed notes about training at Saumur
can be found here http://www.archive.org/download/n...notesonequitatio00saumrich_bw.pdf |
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| Rik |
I think it’s an ill conceived question, but I guess you will need to look at private riding establishments, Royal Courts and Cavalry schools.
Probably starts with Simon of Athens through Xenophon Grison, Fiaschi, Pluvinel, la Guérinière, Baucher, Steinbrecht etc As there are many classical schools through time, each different to a greater or lesser degree I’m not sure there really is one Classical Riding position. The classical Schools SRS, Samur etc haven’t really influenced anyone they have been influenced by individuals such as those mentioned. One of the biggest changes was the introduction of thoroughbred blood into existing breeds changing the movements ridden. Nolan’s book on Training the Cavalry Horse covers the introduction of a system based on Bauchers work into parts of the British Cavalry. It can be found here http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/crimea/ Some stuff about different military riding styles http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/crimea/cavalry6.html This document published by the US War department, shows what went on in European cavalry schools of the time. http://www.militaryhorse.org/resources/no297.php Nuno Oliveira’s Classical Principles has some good information in it. Don’t know if any of it will help. Richard. |
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| Nashama |
I am a bit puzzled by the question, too. Riding on the flat is anything from trail riding to haute ecole, and all flat riding developed from the need for transport, the horse as a herding animal or the use of horse as an instrument of war. Riding the horse at all developed from the bright idea someone had one day of instead of eating the horse, they would ride it.
Militarily, you can go back as far as French cave paintings, through the Mongols, Hittites, Greeks, Saracens and Huns to the Great Horses of the Middle Ages up to the Boer and Crimean Wars. I used to have a terrific book called 'Jumper' which was about the military service of a horse from Siberia in the Crimea if she can source that from a library, and, of course, there is a lot of information on the Lighthorse last seen during WWI. |
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| Julie |
I thougt it was a bad question, but it gives Sara the chance to educate her educators so we need this to be good. She gets constant criticism for the way she rides!
I have just lent her twisted truth and she is loving it. |
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| Jeanette |
..oh phew that's alright then...as I've just lent one of your books to my fieldmate!! Shame I've got your Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling book because his theory of where to sit is based on the bull fighters....the overarching theme..whether based from military (as discussed in other posts) or bull fighting or whatever must be that the riding position evolved out of function..i.e. what you were trying to achieve with the horse and how best to sit to achieve that. the bull fighters want instant mobility and really really free movement..they found that by sitting really well back and putting the horse balance way back on his hocks. Military must be the same. the riding schools then took that and turned it into an art form for the pleasure of their patrons....but in doing so the position of the rider, his hands and the position of the horse head then presumably became part of the art form ..science was lost ...and the original seat based only on function got lost in translation..so then we ended up with some peverse reinterpretations ..like rollcur. PK goes to town on this! ..but would also be interesting to examine the western seat in the context of function and see how closely this aligns Dont' forget the article on male and female anatomy differences as well....Dr Debs....maybe women aren't supposed to sit in the classical position..but they weren't in battle or in the bull ring or cutting cows ....so their seat has not gone thru the proper evolution of coming out of function but is just a copy based on art form only |
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| Jeanette |
I keep thinking about this when I should be drafting up a contract for work...so much more interesting!
A discussion on position based on function presumably needs to include finding the optimum place to sit for the horse’s balance but also to enable the rider to give the leg aids in the place they are most likely to be felt....so that in turn needs a discussion of spurs and their original purpose....i.e. to allow the legs to come forward whilst still be able to give the aids on the fat bit of the tummy! |