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Clarissa
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 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I am enjoying this conversation I want to contribute something but it will all get lost here in the end of the thread about Sonny's feet so I'm with Blue Flame.
I too think a new thread should be started. Perhaps those who have contributed to this conversation can copy/paste their posts to the new thread to give the history & continuum.
cheers guys. 
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PasoBaby_CarolU
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Blue Flame wrote: | Carol,
Could we please take this to another thread?
Those of us who have been following Clarissa's and Sonny's history know that this is the 2nd, maybe even 3rd thread that Clarissa has started precisely because of discussions like these clogging it all up.
Rick,
Assuming your intention is to help Clarissa/Sonny, or at least to prevent something harmful being done - completely apart from the why of my suggested ideas, if there is anything I have suggested that would be harmful to Sonny then please post that here. |
By all means, start another thread. It actually is a lot easier (on me) if you all discuss this with general statements instead of within a personal thread so things aren't taken personally.
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RickB.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hang on a minute. Comments/advise/opinions were offered in direct response to Clarissa's situation. Now those who are being asked to 'defend' those statements want to take the discussion elsewhere? To quote the Bard, "the lady doth protest too much, methinks."
[quote=blue flame]Assuming your intention is to help Clarissa/Sonny, or at least to prevent something harmful being done - completely apart from the why of my suggested ideas, if there is anything I have suggested that would be harmful to Sonny then please post that here.[/quote]
You think that my intentions were/are otherwise? ROTFLMAO! You offered bad advise based on fatally flawed information/knowledge and somehow think that was/would be helpful to Clarissa and her situation, or to others who might read what you wrote and accept it as factual. And then, 'caught with your pants down' you complain and try to obfuscate? Please re-read the quote above, attributed to the Bard.
Regardless, I have already addressed what I consider to be your [overall] bad advise and why it would be harmful to Sonny, within the context of my previous posts. Read for content in context, that should become readily apparent.
I have offered Clarissa some direct input on her situation but its still awaiting moderator approval so I don't know if it will ever see the light of day or not.  |
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PasoBaby_CarolU
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think Sandy was talking about yours/his discussion as a side issue.
Rick, I thought I got all of those you changed released. I really don't want to go through the whole thread, which pages still have posts needing release?
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"The path to your horse's heart lies through your own."
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RickB.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| PasoBaby_CarolU wrote: | | I think Sandy was talking about yours/his discussion as a side issue. |
When the comments directly affect Clarissa and her horse, I don't see them as a side issue. However, if you want to take all those posts, from all involved, and move them to a new thread..........
Also, it seems that prior to my replies, the replies/advise of some others had already drifted into general areas and I was responding to that erroneous/bad information/advise.
| Quote: | | Rick, I thought I got all of those you changed released. I really don't want to go through the whole thread, which pages still have posts needing release? |
Sorry Carol.  I had gone back and edited some syntax in the post just above the one I made regarding Bowker and Rooney on pg. 14. from yesterday(Sat.)
Out of curiosity, why are the posts not numbered for ease of reference? |
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Blue Flame
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Never mind - Clarissa's subsequent post rendered this one irrelevant.
Last edited by Blue Flame on Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:50 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Clarissa
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Blue Flame
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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So, not all of the other posts were transferred to the other thread. That being the case, there are things I wish to address here before choosing whether I will post on the other thread.
Mr. Rick B.,
There is no need to bait me. I do not trade in insults. I find common courtesy and respect to be much more liquid currencies for the exchange of ideas. If we can discuss in the context of the latter, I'll be willing to respond to your posts . . . and willing to admit where I'm wrong - I'm sure we can learn much from you. Maybe you could learn something too.
However, in order establish an appropriate setting for this to take place, I will first highlight things you have posted that I consider rude:
1. Implying gullibility . . .
| Quote: | | but is accepted as fact by those who like a man dying of thirst in the desert who upon being told that sand is water, drinks the sand. |
2. Implying defensiveness/something to hide . . .
| RickB. wrote: | | Hang on a minute. Comments/advise/opinions were offered in direct response to Clarissa's situation. Now those who are being asked to 'defend' those statements want to take the discussion elsewhere? To quote the Bard, "the lady doth protest too much, methinks." |
3. Going off half cocked before even waiting for a response . . . you ask questions - but are not really interested in the answers, are you? . . .
| Quote: | | You offered bad advise based on fatally flawed information/knowledge and somehow think that was/would be helpful to Clarissa and her situation, or to others who might read what you wrote and accept it as factual. And then, 'caught with your pants down' you complain and try to obfuscate? Please re-read the quote above, attributed to the Bard. |
4. Automatically assuming I have contradicted myself before seeking clarification of the concept before, again, going off half cocked . . .
| RickB. wrote: | This statement directly contradicts your other statement that A-V shunts increase circulation to the tissues of the hoof and thereby cause toxins to leave the area more quickly.
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One thing I will comment on . . .
| RickB. wrote: | | Clarissa wrote: | | So finding some sort of footing might be an idea. It could be dumped in the playground area. I could try to see about a load of pine bark fines which will last a good while but can be soft under foot. |
Bear in mind The Law of Unintended Consequences. In this instance it may include soft tissue(ligament/tendon)damage/injury because of the soft footing. |
Yes, that is a good point - but before you accuse me of suggesting something harmful, I never suggested Sonny be worked on said surface - in fact, I actually specified a confined space. Maybe you should read 'content for context'.
| Blue Flame wrote: | | If he is in a confined space, I would maybe consider giving him a choice of deep and firm footing within that space and let him choose if and when to alternate between the two. |
Since you seem to like quotes . . .
| Quote: | | Rome offers you war or peace. Rome cares not which you choose. |
Personally, I offer you dialogue or indifference. I really don't care which you choose. |
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RickB.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Blue Flame wrote: |
Mr. Rick B., |
Wow, why so formal.......
| Quote: | | There is no need to bait me. I do not trade in insults. |
Asking hard questions is not baiting. Nor have I sought to insult you. As others can testify, if I had, there would be no question of my intent. (ie: why do you suppose my posts require moderator approval before they are published?)
| Quote: | | If we can discuss in the context of the latter, I'll be willing to respond to your posts . . . and willing to admit where I'm wrong |
Its your choice. With me, what you see/read, is what you get. I like intelligent, well informed discourse, but I suffer fools and their foolishness little if at all. So its 'Caveat Emptor'.
| Quote: | | I'm sure we can learn much from you. |
Flattery may get you somewhere......
| Quote: | | Maybe you could learn something too. |
I already have.........
| Quote: | | However, in order establish an appropriate setting for this to take place, I will first highlight things you have posted that I consider rude: |
No me importa.
| Quote: | 1. Implying gullibility . . .
| Quote: | | but is accepted as fact by those who like a man dying of thirst in the desert who upon being told that sand is water, drinks the sand. |
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If the shoe fits.........
| Quote: | 2. Implying defensiveness/something to hide . . .
[quote="RickB.:93030"]Hang on a minute. Comments/advise/opinions were offered in direct response to Clarissa's situation. Now those who are being asked to 'defend' those statements want to take the discussion elsewhere? |
The truth is an absolute defense..
| Quote: | | 3. Going off half cocked before even waiting for a response . . . you ask questions - but are not really interested in the answers, are you? . . . |
If I wasn't interested, I wouldn't have posed the questions as I did. I would have made them rhetorical.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | You offered bad advise based on fatally flawed information/knowledge and somehow think that was/would be helpful to Clarissa and her situation, or to others who might read what you wrote and accept it as factual. |
The truth is an absolute defense...
| Quote: | 4. Automatically assuming I have contradicted myself before seeking clarification of the concept before, again, going off half cocked . . .
| RickB. wrote: | This statement directly contradicts your other statement that A-V shunts increase circulation to the tissues of the hoof and thereby cause toxins to leave the area more quickly.
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I assumed nothing. You were hoist by your own petard. And had you been clear in the first place, then perhaps my response would have been different. Regardless, did you or did you not contradict yourself? If not, why not?
| Quote: | One thing I will comment on . . .
| RickB. wrote: | | Clarissa wrote: | | So finding some sort of footing might be an idea. It could be dumped in the playground area. I could try to see about a load of pine bark fines which will last a good while but can be soft under foot. |
Bear in mind The Law of Unintended Consequences. In this instance it may include soft tissue(ligament/tendon)damage/injury because of the soft footing. |
Yes, that is a good point - but before you accuse me of suggesting something harmful, I never suggested Sonny be worked on said surface - in fact, I actually specified a confined space. Maybe you should read 'content for context'. |
Doesn't matter. You offered bad advise that could well have deleterious consequences for Sonny. Even standing on said surface causes strain and quite probably, unacceptable tension in the musculo-tendinous unit(s) with will not only exacerbate the existent problems but quite probably, cause more, ie: The Law of Unintended Consequences.
And for the record, not only do I read for content in context, but I work assiduously to do so with comprehension by employing critical analysis and critical thinking at more than a secondary school level as seems to be the predilection of some others.
| Quote: | Since you seem to like quotes . . .
| Quote: | | Rome offers you war or peace. Rome cares not which you choose. |
Personally, I offer you dialogue or indifference. I really don't care which you choose. |
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1. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.......
2. Si vis pacem, para bellum
3. Je pense donc je suis.
4. Homines in domibus vitreis habitantes lapidos jacere non debent.
5. When you're going to a gun fight, don't go armed with only a knife.... |
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Clarissa
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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The next phase of Sonny's hoof treatment is about to start so I am going to call a halt to this thread & close it.
I'll soon start a new one.
Cheers
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PasoBaby_CarolU
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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I have released Rick's comments. I would like to suggest if you guys want to continue this type of argument that you do so in the thread for fighting at the top of the Farrier forum. It kind of ruins the educational part of the thread and 'help' gets lost in the trading of insults. So please, if you want to fight, take it to the fighting thread.
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Corazon de Oro Paso Finos
"The path to your horse's heart lies through your own."
Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots. - Words of Wisdom - Mhar
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becdubie
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| PasoBaby_CarolU wrote: | | I have released Rick's comments. I would like to suggest if you guys want to continue this type of argument that you do so in the thread for fighting at the top of the Farrier forum. It kind of ruins the educational part of the thread and 'help' gets lost in the trading of insults. So please, if you want to fight, take it to the fighting thread. |
LOLOL!!!!  I love that we have a thread for fighting ,.......
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