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It's About The Horse The Free Forum for those Doing Parelli - and a whole lot More! "Anything forced and misunderstood can never be beautiful." Xenophon (430-355 B.C.),
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karmikacres Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| PasoBaby_CarolU wrote: | | And wouldn't the world of horses be a lot better if everyone got at least through the old Level 2? |
Yes, but the old L2 is so far from the current reality of Parelli, it might as well be a fairy tale.
They would also need to revamp their flexions and collection to reflect what actually allows the horse to use its body.
Yes, this is my experience, and as a former 11 year student of Parelli, some might find value in it.
Mike _________________ I guess sometimes, on the hopeful path to glory, we get sidetracked and find something better instead. |
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karmikacres Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| learningthedance wrote: |
I wonder how much Parelli contributed directly/indirectly to your more recent successes. I remember watching your Parelli video's you used to post of your assessments. The relationship was solid. The communication you shared with your horse was beautiful. I am just wondering if you never found Parelli, would you be getting as much out of these clinics your now attending? How is Buck for teaching about building a relationship?? Or does he??? |
The reality is, we spent a lot of time not progressing due to the constant changes in the program. That is our fault for believing things would change, and new material was forthcoming. Yes, the basic horsemanship skills are invaluable, and IMO, should be the focus of PNH.
No, if we had not found Parelli, we probably would not have any horses. I found it at a time in my life that horses allowed me to rejoin society, it was life saving for me. A great deal of the credit needs to go to deceased Parelli Professional John Harms, he was an inspiration to many.
Thanks for the kind words about my videos, they still mean a lot to me. I wish I could put into words the change in my relationships that have occurred. I think I just feel better to them, they sure feel better to me.
Buck has a phenomenal relationship with his horses, it is just totally different than Parelli. His horses know exactly what is expected of them and they get it done right now. He clearly loves and respects his horses, but they are not pets.
Don't get me wrong, I still see value in what PNH could offer as a basic horsemanship program. Under promise, over deliver.
Mike _________________ I guess sometimes, on the hopeful path to glory, we get sidetracked and find something better instead. |
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learningthedance Member

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Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Your videos really touched me (as did a few others), but I think it was the amount of pride that went along with them that made them stand out to me. It wasn't so much a..."look what I can do", but a ..."look at what we have learned together" that I felt from them. Sometimes I feel like maybe you have forgotten how magical and special THAT part of the journey was for you. How magical and special it still is for others.
No matter who you follow now, I am more then certain you will reach the stars. You have a wonderful relationship with your horses (from the few videos you have shared) and a passion to keep learning and advancing.
Thanks for the explanation Mike, and your welcome for the kind words. They are well deserved.
P.S. Feel free to post any of those video's again. They are STILL very inspirational. Even if you have graduated and moved on, they still speak volumes  _________________ Elise
"Some people are always grumbling
because roses have thorns;
I am thankful
that thorns have roses."
Alphonse Karr
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merle Member

Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 445
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| karmikacres wrote: | Go ride with Buck, you will quickly find all the shortcomings in the "method".
Those that label Buck as a bridle horse trainer are missing out on some of the best horsemanship available.
Mike |
I agree 110%. Just to be clear, agreeing with the above is not slamming Parelli. Agreeing with the above is because my experience with Buck has illustrated the aspects of Parelli that are lacking. Parelli is good, but Buck is phenomenal.
I used pure Parelli with a number of horses, in general all of those horses had been wonderful. I was very very satisfied with the results I was getting. For example, through Parelli I was able to develop my mare to ride bareback/bridleless and pass the old level 3 bb/bridleless assessment. I was beyond satisfied with Parelli, I had issues with the corp. but the method was great.
Then comes along my mule. She was doing well with Parelli, but not great. I wanted great, Parelli did not have the information to get me to great because of the shortcomings to the method. I read, searched, looked around and ended up going to Buck. Buck had the information, the important pieces that are not addressed or just given lip service to via Parelli. My mule is now becoming GREAT due to Buck.
As such, I see shortcomings in Parelli but only because of my mule. If I did not have my mule I never would have had the desire or need to go outside Parelli. But, my mule insisted that I search for other answers.
If you do not see shortcomings in Parelli, then that is wonderful as it means it is working for you. And isn't that the most important thing, to find some thing that works for you and your horse? |
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Hertha Member

Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 2345
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Sidekick, I really enjoyed your original post and agree with pretty much all of it.
I also take PasoCarol's point that if we ride freestyle sloppy, the horse will become sloppy.
In terms of finesse, I agree with you. I have not seen what I personally would call finesse from Parelli. The most recent stuff makes me squirm.
I am learning finesse on the ground and in the saddle studying Alex Kurland.
I don't have a WEEKLY BETH down here. So I experiment and have fun and learn and have fun.
My horse has built up self-carriage online and at liberty following Carolyn Resnick and Alex Kurland's ideas, and we are starting to get it riding (no bit required).
The riding progress is slower because of my ineptitude with finesse riding, not the horse's. But I'm working on myself with real enjoyment of the process.
I guess in the end we all have to set our own goals and then troll the universe to find what makes sense to us and agrees with our philosophy of being with horses.
All that said, I would not be able to be so discerning without the years of intensive study of Parelli when it was at its best. _________________ Author of
*Book: N H STUDY GUIDE
*DVDs: Clicker Training Your Horse; Learning Universal Horse Language; 29 Ways to Ask Your Horse to Back Up; Building Your Horse's Hind End; Walking with Horses; Trailer Loading with Positive Reinforcement |
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plodalong Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2011 Posts: 63
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| i came into horses very late in life,i wasnt fortunate as a child to ever have one, I got a horse i thought was older than he turned out to be, I was ready to sell him after 6 months, he reared,bucked, dragged me around and i was getting hurt, Yes i know all my fault, I listened to others on this traditional yard, get a bigger bit, shut his mouth with a flash, i took notice and i was still getting hurt, i had problems lifting his feet off the floor, A friend of mine gave me a parelli dvd that fell out of a magazine, i watched and longed to have some kind of relationship with my horse, Well now 3 yrs later i have, i have learned some skills from books and dvd's. im not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i am fast approaching 60 yrs old, but i had a dream and now thanks to parelli i live that dream, we trail ride, he will load ,he has no bit,no shoes,i will never do dressage or show jumping but Parelli for us was amazing.it has allowed this old woman to have a beautiful relationship with my horse, it has enabled me to learn a new language, it has enabled me to communicate my wishes and respect my horse's dignity. his horsenality is an lbi, and knowing this has helped me to understand him better. we are now heading for our level 3 green string. we worked and progressed,Thats what Pat parelli teaches us to be progressive ,foundation before specialisation.Love Language and leadership.I am still the only rope wiggler on our yard and swimming against the tide hasnt always been easy, Parelli packaged my learning in such a way i could understand, i cant always afford lessons ,but when i can i learn a lot and i then have enough to do until i can afford another.when students reach the higher levels of Parelli then it is time for them to move on and specialise if they wish.Parelli gave me horsemanship skills from simple manners to freestyle riding.I now live my dream in a quiet contented way.My horse and i dance together in the middle of the field with other horses all around, my horse chooses to come and hang out with me,that for me is such a wonderful feeling.I am not afraid to say that "WE ARE PARELLI" i am proud of our coloured savvy strings. |
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Mandy'sMarty Member

Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 587
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| plodalong wrote: | | I now live my dream in a quiet contented way. My horse and i dance together in the middle of the field with other horses all around, my horse chooses to come and hang out with me, that for me is such a wonderful feeling. I am not afraid to say that "WE ARE PARELLI" i am proud of our coloured savvy strings. |
A very eloquently expressed journey. I salute you, and your horse, as you continue your adventure and live your dream together. _________________ Marty
We must be willing to let go of
The life that we planned
So as to have the life
That is waiting for us.
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PasoBaby_CarolU Site Admin

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Marty Plodalong. You know there are people who have had horses for decades who haven't achieved with their horses what you have. Sounds beautiful. Congratulations. _________________ Carol Nudell
Corazon de Oro Paso Finos
"The path to your horse's heart lies through your own."
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Saddlebag Member
Joined: 02 May 2011 Posts: 25
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Please google "Erin's Carolyn Resnick"s Notes. Then read thro the menu on the left hand side. I have a horse that's been "Parelli'd" to death. Yes, he is compliant yet the trust wasn't there. He had a ghastly fear of people, men in particular. This goes back to when he was freeze branded as a colt. It is not painless. Tests have shown increased cortisol levels for over an hour. OK , now you have a better grasp of what I'm dealing with. I had run out of ideas to build trust. I'm not afraid of horses and never get upset with them. I started doing as Erin had written. My horse has responded like I'd never hoped. We say hello 4 or 5 times a day. Anything I do with him is in the pasture and he can leave at any time. He has quit being so jumpy. Now I always ask permission. If I don't get it, well that's ok because I may get it the next time. Am I thrilled with our progress? You bet. |
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bit Member

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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Parelli got me on the road to better, and made for a good foundation to nh. Carolyn Resnick was the one that really put it all together for me regarding a relationship, bond and trust. Because of her, I have a better understanding of horse behavior and psycology. Centered riding has been my best path for riding. I have an amazing instructor right there, working with human and horse and helping us both on our path. Eclipse visibly relaxes when we arrive at our lessons. Even chicken little Gunner likes it there. I think we all have to find our own way. I'll be working with Kip with I pick up the boys, and get a good dose of "Brannaman" from him. Brent Graef in July. It's all good. Some ways simply work better for me, just because of what I'm interested in, and how I learn. We all have a different path, but they all lead to the same place. _________________ "It was once said I should clear my head for one cannot ride a Thoroughbred. Hot they are. And too fast they be. Forever on the fly. But I stayed the course and have no remorse. I love my off the track racehorse!" |
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