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 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: I am sorry but really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I have just seen this!!!
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/...mp;id=9944536720&e=d3fcbb104d
its not rocket science - get off your arse- forget all that you have stupidly taught everyone and carry yourself - and lo - your horse will be able to lift its back.
OMG I cannot believe she took this long to have a clue!!!!!!
I can't believe it took so long for a so called dressage instructor to say GET OFF YOUR BUM!!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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And only $750 to audit...
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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And how galling for those who took the first courses that she's teaching new stuff learned from them.. Hope they get given that info free...
But is is just me, or is the horse in the second picture oddly not as engaged as it was in the first??
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Julie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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no - its not engaged at all !
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Hmm - headset, anyone??
Given that Walter sees what is needed aid-wise solely by looking at the hindleg engagement, that's NOT what he's been teaching..
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Julie
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It took him 3 years to change her appalling position ?!! This makes me angry - poor horse!!!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Change or improve?
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I thought the Game of Contact was debuted last winter in Australia...why is this news?
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| Quote: | | Discovering this method after years of trying to get her Dutch Warmblood, Remmer, to enjoy and understand contact, |
She left out "after 15 YEARS " with Remmer.
Well, you KNEW I'd have to point that one out! 
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Julie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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change!!! She had nothing there to improve. How many people has she taught to ride like that! uggg!
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I agree that horse "after" the games of contact looks no more engaged than before. Rather the same stressed body bound up in a different frame.
I see the glutes over the rump over compensating. So he then steps short because the glutes jam up the energy due to the fact that he can't transfer the energy effectively through the loins over the back making connection to the base of the neck. The base of the neck being tight can't then transfer energy to the poll. The poll is also below the line of impulsion and this causes the heaviness on the forehand.
If this horse where let loose and allowed to move forward in order to transfer the energy effectively through the trains of his body with the correct line of impulsion you'd see a very different picture. This would also allow the horse to naturally come into contact on the bit.
I also see in this horse what I do with many who get thrown backwards in the saddle and that is a stress line at the last rib.
Not saying any of what I shared is right, but just what my particular eyes are seeing from this one set of photos.
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| balance wrote: |
I also see in this horse what I do with many who get thrown backwards in the saddle and that is a stress line at the last rib.
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I'm curious about what you are seeing. Are you seeing tension in the abdominal muscles? And I'd like to learn more about what you mean by "thrown backwards in the saddle".
What do you see happening here?
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Julie
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Thats being polite - she is sitting on her arse with no muscle tension at all. Its horrendous what she was doing. She has at last learnt to balance making i easier for the horse to carry her, but how about the apology to all those horses and riders which have been hurt by this method. Now she needs to learn contact comes from the back - NOT THE Front!
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| Mandy'sMarty wrote: | | balance wrote: |
I also see in this horse what I do with many who get thrown backwards in the saddle and that is a stress line at the last rib.
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I'm curious about what you are seeing. Are you seeing tension in the abdominal muscles? And I'd like to learn more about what you mean by "thrown backwards in the saddle".
What do you see happening here? |
To point out I'd rather see tight abdominal muscles than what I see tight in this "after" picture.
When the rider is sitting back on their butt and getting pushed into the cantle of the saddle, rather than being centered and supporting their own weigh it forces all the weight over the last few ribs of the horse and puts the rider behind the motion (especially if saddled to far back for the horses back)... So you get a holding line which is also a stress line that outlines the last rib. It comes from a tight back/lumbar. It's like if you where to lift with your back rather than your knees.
Hope that makes better sense.
If the horse where active in their abs and correctly going through the topline you'd see the muscles more active further down from that current stress line rather than so high up (into lumbar and gluets).
Abs/core lift the back, the back doesn't lift the back. Which is what it looks like that horse is trying todo lift their back with the back the best they can with blocked body trains.
I'll also say the rider is looking down in the after shot and when you look down it brings both the horse and the rider behind the motion. So looks like the rider is trying her best in that saddle to get in line with the motion but still falls behind. Partly because she is tense in her arms/shoulders and focused down... among other things.
On another note: Hard to truly compare the photos as the horse is in different phases of the stride. If you want to get technical and show a real before and after compare apples to apples and show the same phase in the stride in the same section of the area for both photos.
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I am confused by the photos.
They are both taken on the same day that is plainly obvious. I’m assuming the woman riding is Linda? Hard to tell in those photos. But I have never seen Linda ride or tell anyone to ride sitting that far back & dragging on the horse’s mouth like that.
I’m obviously missing something?
I can see the horse is tight & wrongly 'collected', almost forcefully in the second shot struggling to hold it's back up. In the first shot the horse is just trying to get away from the pressure on it's loins.
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